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Fri, Apr 27, 2018 4:49 PM

Lightroom Classic 7.3.1: Apply During Import Issue

LR 7.31 but this probably started with 7.3. Library - Import Page - Apply During Import - Develop Settings - Lightroom General Presets - Auto Settings. This will apply Auto Tone (Sensei) to all images at import. It adjusts for each image individually. 7.3 Auto Settings override your Set Default Develop Settings to factory settings. Specifically the Set Default Develop Settings where you access Preferences - Presets and can check the Camera serial number and ISO boxes. Then on top bar you choose Develop - Set Default Settings - Update to Current settings. I rolled back to 7.2 and everything works perfectly. Both Auto and my Default Settings applied correctly. 7.3 sets Defaults to factory. One example is Lens Corrections that auto applied via the Default settings in 7.2. It doesn't in version 7.3.

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3 y ago

Is there a work around. Ie I do not want to roll back to a previous version.

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3 y ago

I have not found one. Are you experiencing the same thing?   

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I have put off upgrading to 7.3 because of the mess re profiles and presets. I do not want to upgrade to 7.3.1 if there are still fundimental flaws.

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A work around is not to use the Adobe supplied 'Auto Tone' preset, but to create your own and include the camera defaults in that preset. So in the preset include Lens Corrections and anything else you saved as camera default.

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Thanks. That is encouraging. I was getting confused on applying defaults at the import stage. I do not use the auto tone at all, so happier I can apply defaults sumilar to what I have done in the past. Looks like I can go from 7.2 to 7.31

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While your idea is sound it will not work for me. I have a master set of files. ISO 100, 200, 400, 800 and so on. For each file I set NR and sharpening based in the ISO and then use the Set Default Settings Command to update. That is the whole point of it. I make any changes to those master files. so at import there can be various ISOs' that apply my specific settings. 

I talked to support and got a supervisor on the line. I explained it very carefully so as not to confuse it with the other presets issues. The supervisor guaranteed me that Adobe was aware of that specific issue. I'm still not sure if he just wanted to get me off the phone. I got one Me Too as a response so I guess I'm not the only one but still want to confirm it is not something at my end.  

As for the presets issues it was an easy fix until the 7.31update.                  
                

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In that case, select all the images AFTER you've imported them, and then click the Auto button in the Quick Develop panel.

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300 time? Yes I did that but my point is not working. I rolled back a few days ago to see if it was the version or something I did. I may yet go back to 7.3 but I have a few non critical shoots coming up. This saves me time. I have no issues waiting for a fix, I just wanted to be sure Adobe is aware of it.         

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No, not 300 times. Select ALL the imported images. Then click on the 'Auto' button ONCE. Do this in the Quick Develop panel (in the Library module), not in the Develop module.

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That I have not tried. You have to be careful to not sync, etc because it just applies the first images settings to all of them. I tried a few different approaches. This sounds like a decent work around if it works and I know you know your stuff. I'll try it.     

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I'm not talking about sync. I'm talking about the QUICK DEVELOP panel and the 'Auto' button in that panel. You do know what the Quick Develop panel is, do you?

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Well I imported handful of files, selected all of the them. pressed Auto and it only applied it to the first file. Just to verify it is the Auto button in the Basic pane. Correct? I tried this 7.2. My laptop still has 7.31. I'll try it there.       

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Yes I used the Auto button in the basic panel. Only applied the first file. 

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No luck on 7.31 either.  

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I see now. I've never had needed or used that panel. I just open the Develop screen after import. Today is first time I have ever looked at it. That worked. Thanks.          

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Glad it finally worked. You could have saved yourself a lot of hassle if you had read my comments more carefully. I clearly said that you had to use the QD panel “in the Library module, not the Develop module”...

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It only took about 15 minutes to realize I was in the wrong area. Like I said, I have never looked at QD until today. Not the first or last mistake I'll make.         

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People have complained that Sensei tends to lower the contrast too much. After applying Adobe's Auto settings I created and 0 Contrast preset and all the images maintained those adjustments and contrast was back at zero. Guess you can apply as many as you like.        

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It is pretty easy Matthew. You just need to go into LR preferences and on the presets page select if you want it by ISO, Camera serial number or nothing. I only use 1/1 ISO (100, 200, 400, etc) because 1⁄3 would produce far too ISO's and would be difficult to manage.

I keep the master set for all cameras in the Lightroom Folder. The only files I keep on the HD. All my other general files are on and external drive. I make any changes only to the files on the HD and then choose Develop - Set Default Settings - Update to Current settings. Easy to manage.  

If you are ISO, etc specific you can can create an preset and apply at import as explained.      

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Sorry for bumping so much. Adobe support didn't even attempt to walk me through anything so I hope his answer was truthful. My concern is that it does seem like a lot of people use this so it may not be on the front burner of fixes.           

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I am familiar with setting defaults per iso, etc.... but do not use that feature.  I prefer to deal with high iso individually anyway. Neither do I use auto tone (legacy or recent version).... so perhaps it is safe for me to upgrade from 7.2 to 7.3.1.

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In that case this issue is totally irrelevant for you.

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Thanks.... peace of mind.... another task for this evening....

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I forgot to add to my last post. I did feel a little brushed off by Adobe support which why I posted here and other sites. "Yes it is a preset issue" and I'm sure they have been hearing the word preset all day for the last 3 weeks. I'm still not sure about what is going on because this is something different.   

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Hey Folks, 
simmilar problem here!

please be patient with me, i'm no native speaker, so my english might be a little rough.

I'm also a big fan of the default develop settings, because it gives me the perfect start for camera & ISO specific sharpening and noise reduction. Because of that i do also create a set of test shots with every camera at every ISO setting and set those as my default develop settings via the develop menu.

If i only set those default develop setting (camera & iso specific) the settings i do (especially sharpening / noise reduction) are applied perfectly on import.

So far so good.

But what i normally do is, that i also apply an additional, project specific preset for color correction directly on import. For example one for weddings (smoother colors / contrasts etc.) or one for architecture (stronger colors, more contrast etc.)

But if i apply that additional preset on import the settings from the default develop settings are not applied correctly!
For example sharpening is set back to lightroom standards!

That is really annoying, because i can't split sharpening / noise reduction and color correction any more!


By the way, 
that problem appeared first in LR 7.3 but today i updated to 7.4 and the problem stays the same.


any suggestions about that?

thanx