Lightroom Classic 7.3: Develop presets not sorting correctly

"Why did you mess with something that worked perfectly well in the first place?"

Adobe changed the internal implementation of presets considerably, to allow them to be shared with Camera Raw and as part of the new "enhanced profiles", which provide users with a number of new features and advantages.

Unfortunately, Adobe completely botched the testing (quality assurance) and released these worthwhile changes with lots of obvious bugs.

Are you seriously calling the new "manage presets" window a fix ?!
As a developer myself I would be ashamed to offer something like that to my clients. 

Grégory, this topic is concerned with the incorrect sorting of presets introduced in 7.3. The Manage window doesn't have anything to do with that bug. My testing shows that 7.4 correctly sorts presets -- do you experience incorrect sorting?

Grégory, 

This thread contains users who might benefit from the Manage window. That is additional information for users who rely on managing and organizing their presets. 

No, it is still not possible to sort presets.

Please post a screenshot of what you're seeing.

Presets should sort alphabetically. You cannot choose another kind of sort yourself.

Grégory, you have registered your complaint. Now, as a developer could you offer your clear advice on what you'd consider to an acceptable implementation that would meet your needs and expectations.

Nothing more than a consistent folder system (we can consider preset groups are folders) so you can delete/rename/create folders independently from their content, and all actions accessible *at the same place* (right now new=create new preset to create parent group (!), rename=right click, hide=manage window, unhide=manage or right click).
Concerning sort, alphabetical order is fine as long as *all* groups are sorted even the default ones. If you can't do that, instead allow custom sort.

This should be very helpful to Adobe as they continue to evolve LR Classic CC going forward. They seem like reasonable and useful features.

I still have Presets scrambled all over the place.  I now have went back AGAIN to the version that works.  When is this getting fixed please!!!! (June 24th)

I am sticking with 7.2 until this situation is resolved.

> I still have Presets scrambled all over the place.

Can you give examples Christine? Screenshots would be ideal. They've fixed the obvious issues, but there clearly could still be some outlying situations they haven't caught yet.

It's not clear to me if this issue is fixed or not. Many of the presets are not in alphabetical order but I'm not sure if they were designed to be so ordered. See the following post from about three months ago by Nathan Johnson:

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OK - I think I've solved this little mystery... it doesn't have anything to do with High Sierra (it's happening to me on El Capitan) BUT with the XMP presets conversion (and differences in convention between the .lrtemplate files and the .xmp files). 

Inside an .lrtemplate file, there are two name properties... "internalName" and "title"... when you initially create a preset file, they are both the same. But it is possible for the "title" to become different than the "internalName" (especially for preset developers who are editing .lrtemplate files directly). 

Example of .lrtemplate file:




So here, I must have changed the title directly in a text editor.

In any case, this didn't matter, because ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF LIGHTROOM only looked at the "title" property to determine how to sort presets.

Enter LR Classic 7.3 and the .xmp conversion...

XMP also has a number of properties related to the name of the preset. The "Name" property is the displayed name...

BUT... XMP has a "SortName" property. And this property determines how Lightroom actually sorts the presets.

When LR 7.3 converted .lrtemplate files to .xmp files, it took the "internalName" and placed it in the "SortName" property... 

Example...



AND unlike all previous lightroom versions, the .xmp presets actually do get sorted by the sortName property... 

So now, inside Lightroom Classic, you see presets that are mostly sorted, but with seemingly random deviations from that sorting...



All that to say, I wish that Adobe hadn't assumed that we wanted the internalName to now be used a sorting device (which it never had been before). But I don't think it is cool that now we have the ability to do custom orders without changing the display name!

Now... I've got a lot of presets to update..."

Here is a sample of what I am seeing in LR CC 7.4 after updating.

I hope Adobe just fixes what they broke in the name of "improvements". 
It is well past the time to stop introducing new "features & enhancements" and just fix the software.

Rikk, I'm still seeing this issue in LR 8.0 when creating new presets. They appear at the bottom of the list. When can we expect an update to correct this issue?

Have you reviewed the steps here, Todd: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/develop-presets-incorrect-sorting.html ?

I'm using John Eliis' Fix Presets plugin, which is quick, easy to use, and free. Renaming presets after creating them seems like a kludge. Status still shows as 'In Progress' so I assume this will be fixed correct?

Thanks John. I downloaded the latest v1.6 Fix Presets plugin update, which corrected the above mentioned "new preset" sort order. This should work for others with similar preset sorting issues.

Thanks John I can confirm running the Fix Presets plugin corrects the sort order problem permanently...at least for now. Let's just hope Adobe doesn't break it again in a future update!