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Tue, Apr 3, 2018 4:52 PM

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Lightroom Classic 7.3: Develop presets not sorting correctly

They used to be sorted alphabetically. In version 7.3 the order is random

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3 years ago

I have the same problem, the sorting is not working correctly...

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3 years ago

You were "investigating" this a month ago. How's that coming? And why did you mess with something that worked perfectly well in the first place?

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"Why did you mess with something that worked perfectly well in the first place?"

Adobe changed the internal implementation of presets considerably, to allow them to be shared with Camera Raw and as part of the new "enhanced profiles", which provide users with a number of new features and advantages.

Unfortunately, Adobe completely botched the testing (quality assurance) and released these worthwhile changes with lots of obvious bugs.

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3 years ago

Lightroom Classic CC 7.4 was released with some preset/profile management features. After installing, if you are still seeing preset sorting issues related to alphabetization, please let us know. 
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Are you seriously calling the new "manage presets" window a fix ?!
As a developer myself I would be ashamed to offer something like that to my clients. 

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Grégory, this topic is concerned with the incorrect sorting of presets introduced in 7.3. The Manage window doesn't have anything to do with that bug. My testing shows that 7.4 correctly sorts presets -- do you experience incorrect sorting?

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Grégory, 

This thread contains users who might benefit from the Manage window. That is additional information for users who rely on managing and organizing their presets. 
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No, it is still not possible to sort presets.

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Please post a screenshot of what you're seeing.

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Presets should sort alphabetically. You cannot choose another kind of sort yourself.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Grégory, you have registered your complaint. Now, as a developer could you offer your clear advice on what you'd consider to an acceptable implementation that would meet your needs and expectations.

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Nothing more than a consistent folder system (we can consider preset groups are folders) so you can delete/rename/create folders independently from their content, and all actions accessible *at the same place* (right now new=create new preset to create parent group (!), rename=right click, hide=manage window, unhide=manage or right click).
Concerning sort, alphabetical order is fine as long as *all* groups are sorted even the default ones. If you can't do that, instead allow custom sort.

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This should be very helpful to Adobe as they continue to evolve LR Classic CC going forward. They seem like reasonable and useful features.

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I still have Presets scrambled all over the place.  I now have went back AGAIN to the version that works.  When is this getting fixed please!!!! (June 24th)

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I am sticking with 7.2 until this situation is resolved.

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> I still have Presets scrambled all over the place.

Can you give examples Christine? Screenshots would be ideal. They've fixed the obvious issues, but there clearly could still be some outlying situations they haven't caught yet.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

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Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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It's not clear to me if this issue is fixed or not. Many of the presets are not in alphabetical order but I'm not sure if they were designed to be so ordered. See the following post from about three months ago by Nathan Johnson:

"Nathan Johnson

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OK - I think I've solved this little mystery... it doesn't have anything to do with High Sierra (it's happening to me on El Capitan) BUT with the XMP presets conversion (and differences in convention between the .lrtemplate files and the .xmp files). 

Inside an .lrtemplate file, there are two name properties... "internalName" and "title"... when you initially create a preset file, they are both the same. But it is possible for the "title" to become different than the "internalName" (especially for preset developers who are editing .lrtemplate files directly). 

Example of .lrtemplate file:




So here, I must have changed the title directly in a text editor.

In any case, this didn't matter, because ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF LIGHTROOM only looked at the "title" property to determine how to sort presets.

Enter LR Classic 7.3 and the .xmp conversion...

XMP also has a number of properties related to the name of the preset. The "Name" property is the displayed name...

BUT... XMP has a "SortName" propertyAnd this property determines how Lightroom actually sorts the presets.

When LR 7.3 converted .lrtemplate files to .xmp files, it took the "internalName" and placed it in the "SortName" property... 

Example...



AND unlike all previous lightroom versions, the .xmp presets actually do get sorted by the sortName property... 

So now, inside Lightroom Classic, you see presets that are mostly sorted, but with seemingly random deviations from that sorting...



All that to say, I wish that Adobe hadn't assumed that we wanted the internalName to now be used a sorting device (which it never had been before). But I don't think it is cool that now we have the ability to do custom orders without changing the display name!

Now... I've got a lot of presets to update..."

Here is a sample of what I am seeing in LR CC 7.4 after updating.

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I hope Adobe just fixes what they broke in the name of "improvements". 
It is well past the time to stop introducing new "features & enhancements" and just fix the software.

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3 years ago

New Develop presets I create with LR 7.4 are out of sort order. It looks like they are being placed near the bottom of the folder list. I just created two presets shown below inside the red outline. I used John Ellis' 'Fix Presets' plugin with 7.3, which fixed the preset sort order. It's my understanding with LR 7.4 this plugin shouldn't be needed.

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3 years ago

The Lightroom Classic CC team is aware that there are still some sorting issues and are working through it for the next release. We appreciate your patience. 
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Rikk, I'm still seeing this issue in LR 8.0 when creating new presets. They appear at the bottom of the list. When can we expect an update to correct this issue?

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I'm using John Eliis' Fix Presets plugin, which is quick, easy to use, and free. Renaming presets after creating them seems like a kludge. Status still shows as 'In Progress' so I assume this will be fixed correct?

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3 years ago

As a workaround while awaiting a fix, the free Fix Presets plugin will correct the sorting of your presets.

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Thanks John. I downloaded the latest v1.6 Fix Presets plugin update, which corrected the above mentioned "new preset" sort order. This should work for others with similar preset sorting issues.

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2 years ago

I haven't been able to reproduce the sorting problems in LR 8.3.1, testing imported presets, creating new presetings, moving presets into groups, renaming presets, presets manipulated by Camera Raw, and presets with names containing numbers.

Previous versions of LR may have left your presets inconsistently sorted, and LR 8.3.1 won't fix that.  But you can fix it by running the Fix Ordering command of the free Fix Presets plugin.

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Thanks John I can confirm running the Fix Presets plugin corrects the sort order problem permanently...at least for now. Let's just hope Adobe doesn't break it again in a future update!

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3 months ago

3 years and this problem is still here. LOL ADOBE!

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This was fixed a couple of years ago  You may need to update Lightroom. 

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