Lightroom Classic 7.3: Develop presets not sorting correctly

i was just thinking the same thing last night... used to love love love lightroom.. now not so sure.. give me my presets back.... 

Here's  a little trick... You can delete all the default "classic" folders, which makes it at least a little more usable.

On Mac, right-click on the Lightroom CC Classic (inside the Lightroom CC Classic folder, in your Application folder). And select "Show Package Contents"




Navigate to "Contents > Resources > Settings" and then delete the "Classic"  folder




Restart Lightroom CC Classic, and BOOM! No more of those annoying Classic folders!



There. That looks a little better.

I haven't been able to get the other defaults off... even after deleting them, they still persist.  It's like trying to delete Internet Explorer off of Windows...

Hope that helps!
-Nate

Yeah, I deleted them, did a search for one of them (just to see if it was still anywhere on the system), and rebooted.  They're still there and still functioning.  Very frustrating.

It's been 2 weeks today. There will no doubt be a fix as soon as they possibly can, but you'd be really cross if they released a fix that made things worse, so they'll have to spend a bit of time testing after fixing the worst of these issues. Should such big bugs have slipped through? No. But we all make mistakes. In the meantime, it's very easy to step back to 7.2, so as not to mess up your workflow.

I think that there should be some kind of quality control. If they are changing presets functionalities, someone should test if it works as it supposed to... Anyone familiar with presets would spot a bug like that in my opinion. And, it doesn't seem to be a very hard to fix it as it's just a naming issue from what I know.

I agree w/ Damian.  I would be more understanding if this were a one-off event.  It isn't.  And because it isn't a one-off, it is a pattern - apparently supported my management to the detriment of the customers.

Some background: 
   I worked in a Fortune 50 company for many years.  My experience there was:  One mistake was a learning opportunity, the second mistake was a failure to learn and a performance failure.  I think Adobe should be performing to the same standard.

"we all make mistakes"?  Sorry but Adobe, with their recent massive profits, should really iron out these problems during the Beta.  Makes me think they must be running a very half-hearted and ineffective Beta programme.  It's not some small developer with limited resources, it's a huge company that makes huge profits from this software.  There is really no excuse for the nightmare that was 7.3.

I agree.  Being unable to prioritize your presets (etc) over the unwelcome, canned presets is a major frustration, headache, and productivity killer. 
   I think it is just bizarre that Adobe would choose to design their product in such a manner - and then to expect the established user base to support it is even more bizarre.
    I'd be happy if they rolled out a product that allow me to do my work my way - like it used to be.

Did the Show Lightroom Presets Folder issue not get fixed with this patch? Why when i click the button is it still taking me to the old presets folder? And actually it's not even opening the old presets folder, but the LR folder which contains the old presets...

And why can we still not delete all the default Adobe crud presets which are never needed? In the presets tab in develop, if i click on a preset or folder, the minus button appears active but does nothing... why is this? Why can't i delete presets which i'm not using?

I hate to say it, but it is no better than before.

No renaming or ordering of folders still.
The option of creating a folder is gone in the main menu (that’s not what I wanted when I complained it doesn’t work).
Adobe folders still stubbornly Stick to the top. (Why?)
At least in folder ordering of presets seems not to be random any more.

But what’s with the folders?
Here I am, almost ready to jump ship, you release a few great updates that really improve things, and I think all will be well. And then you break something basic. Admin get it, mistakes can happen. So you push out another update with bug fixes. And I think great. Good response. Until I find it didn’t do much for my main problems. Can you at least deprioritize the default folders? They are really in the way. And docoverability should be hurt for newcomers if you do.

> Did the Show Lightroom Presets Folder issue not get fixed with this patch? Why when i click the button is it still taking me to the old presets folder?

No, that button still correctly takes you to where the REST of the Lightroom Presets are stored (like Metadata Presets, etc.). What they need is a second button to take you to the Camera Raw folder. And no, that's not in - this was an emergency hot fix for the biggest issues.

Still not working.  If I change the name of a preset (02A. Brightness +.25 to 02A. Brightness +.33, the preset drops out of order to the bottom of the list.  The only thing I changed was the end of the preset from +.25 to +.33.  This is very frustrating!!  Please properly fix!!!

7.3.1 didn't change a thing: still improperly sorted, impossible to delete or rename.

It just means it was reconverted to fix some issues introduced in 7.3. https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/not-all-presets-are-converted.html

If you remove the ~ at the front of your old presets that will indeed tell Lightroom to re-convert that preset to .xmp, so don't do that unless there is a compelling reason for it.

Nope.  I changed the end of a preset and it dropped it to the bottom of my list

02A. Brightness +.25
to
02A. Brightness +.33

That's all it took to screw the order.

they are so retarded that they sort alphabetically but not numerically.. who are their engineers, surely any braindead person would realise sort order means ALL sort order not just Alphabetical.

Ditto that.  Renaming presets irreversibly messes up any sort order again.  

And if you try to save a preset with a ":", it won't save (and it won't tell you it didn't save either).  Oddly, I can re-name a preset with a ":" and it will stick, except, of course it will show up at the bottom of the preset list again...

If anyone is going to fix the preset panel, while you're at it can you incorporate a drag and drop system so users can order their presets/folders the way we want without having to add leading zeros/numbers/letters?

And redesign the terrible spacing/indenting of the preset panel so we can see more of the preset name in the same-sized window. For the love of God even my tool tips for preset names get cut off (if they show up in the first place).  Space is valuable here, as preset names need to be somewhat descriptive.  We could see 5/8" more of a preset name in the same-sized panel without sacrificing anything if someone would redesign the panel so that:
1) The folder arrows were flush with the left side of the panel (why would they ever start in the middle of the panel anyway??)
2) The preset icons were eliminated (what is the purpose of them anyway??), and preset names start under folder names (1/4" away from left side of panel)
3)  Drag/drop sort order were implemented and we no longer have to add a 2-digit minimum number/letter combo to the folder and/or preset names.  

I'm noticing that presets I rename no longer work.  They appear to work-hovering over them shows what the preset SHOULD do, but clicking on the preset (and un-hovering) shows that the preset did nothing...

WHAT IS HAPPENING???

Also, not sure if this has been reported, but if you create a new preset in folder A, then move it in Lightroom to folder B (drag & drop), it stays in folder A when you check the file location in file explorer...

Yes, consider them as grouped:
1: Adobe general presets
2: Adobe effects presets
3: Adobe Classic presets
4: Custom presets
Inside each group everything sorts as expected. When you specify some presets as 'favorite', you will see that the Favorites group comes all the way at the top.

Presets sort by an internal field. So whether or not the Adobe presets sort alphabetically is (probably) by design. But your own custom presets should sort correctly now.

OK, I'll take your word for it. If that's the case it is certainly confusing and somewhat illogical. No wonder the sorting of 'Presets' has raised so many questions lately.

Thanks for your comments on my questions.

John, thanks for creating this plugin. My User Develop presets are a mess so I'd like to give it a try. Exactly what does it do and how will this affect future LR updates that correct the sort order?

The new preset format in .xmp files has a SortName field that is used for sorting the presets.  Camera Raw consistently sets SortName, but some operations in LR set SotName, some leave it empty (freshman programming). The Fix Ordering button of Fix Presets sets the field  to a version of the Name field, so that all the presets sort consistently.

FIx Presets will replace numbers embedded in the name with zero-padded numbers, to achieve the proper numeric sorting that was present in LR 7.2 and earlier and is still used in the Collections and Folders panels.  For example, collections with leading numbers in their names will sort "1 C", "3 C", "20 C".  Given a preset name "23 - 5 Orange", Fix Presets will give it the SortName "000023 - 000005 Orange", to achieve the proper sorting.  (Internally, LR has a sort function that does this hybrid numeric sorting, but the programmer forgot to use it in the new Presets panel.)

If/when a future release of LR fixes the issue, presets that have been corrected by Fix Prests will continue to work and sort properly.  (The internal LR numeric sorting treats a leading "000023" in the name the same as "23".)

Sounds good I'll give it try and report back.

The Restore Original command will restore your original preset .xmp files if you don't like the results.

I just tried the 'Fix Ordering' function and I'm getting the below error message on every preset. There also doesn't appear to be a way to cancel the operation and I've got a lot of presets. Any ideas?

Re canceling, the modal progress bar has a Cancel button, but perhaps LR isn't giving you a chance to click it when the error dialog keeps popping up in your face.

Please contact me by email at the support address on the plugin's web page. Based on that error message, something obviously unexpected is happening with your preset folder.

Thanks just sent you an email.

The Fix Presets plugin was tripping over another intermittent LR 7.3 SDK bug with presets: 
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-sdk-preset-getfile-incorrectly-retu... 

I released a new version that works around it.

Thank you John. The updated 'Fix Preset' v1.3 plugin works like charm! I haven't used the other features yet, but they will come in handy. Your due diligence is most appreciated!

Thank you John.It works, but I can't rename any preset because doing this all the presets in that specific folder go back to the original wrong alphabetic order.Did you noticed this before?

You need to re-run the Fix Ordering command every time you rename a preset. (LR's rename operation "forgets" to set the internal SortName field of the preset.)  I'll make this clearer in user interface and the documentation.

Nice that you added the adjustment brush to the preset options. You could probably do the same with the spot healing brush too.

Good suggestion, I'll add Spot Removal to the plugin.

Unfortunately, LR 7.3.1 doesn't recognize the spot-removal settings in preset .xmp files.