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Tue, Apr 3, 2018 4:52 PM

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Lightroom Classic 7.3: Develop presets not sorting correctly

They used to be sorted alphabetically. In version 7.3 the order is random

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60 Points

3 years ago

Why am I still paying Adobe for this software...?

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102 Points

i was just thinking the same thing last night... used to love love love lightroom.. now not so sure.. give me my presets back.... 

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278 Points

3 years ago

While you are at it - make it so we can delete the defaults ;)

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990 Points

Here's  a little trick... You can delete all the default "classic" folders, which makes it at least a little more usable.

On Mac, right-click on the Lightroom CC Classic (inside the Lightroom CC Classic folder, in your Application folder). And select "Show Package Contents"




Navigate to "Contents > Resources > Settings" and then delete the "Classic"  folder





Restart Lightroom CC Classic, and BOOM! No more of those annoying Classic folders!




There. That looks a little better.

I haven't been able to get the other defaults off... even after deleting them, they still persist.  It's like trying to delete Internet Explorer off of Windows...

Hope that helps!
-Nate

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204 Points

Yeah, I deleted them, did a search for one of them (just to see if it was still anywhere on the system), and rebooted.  They're still there and still functioning.  Very frustrating.

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278 Points

3 years ago

Any progress on this Lightroom? It is a serious productivity crusher.

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278 Points

3 years ago

I just rolled back to previous version till this is resolved. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2401313

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100 Points

3 years ago

Will Adobe release a fix to this? It’s been few weeks now. Huge amount of Lightroom users are still having issues and are paying for a service. Rolling back to a previous version shouldn’t be a fix.

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102.5K Points

It's been 2 weeks today. There will no doubt be a fix as soon as they possibly can, but you'd be really cross if they released a fix that made things worse, so they'll have to spend a bit of time testing after fixing the worst of these issues. Should such big bugs have slipped through? No. But we all make mistakes. In the meantime, it's very easy to step back to 7.2, so as not to mess up your workflow.

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894 Points

I think that there should be some kind of quality control. If they are changing presets functionalities, someone should test if it works as it supposed to... Anyone familiar with presets would spot a bug like that in my opinion. And, it doesn't seem to be a very hard to fix it as it's just a naming issue from what I know.

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890 Points

I agree w/ Damian.  I would be more understanding if this were a one-off event.  It isn't.  And because it isn't a one-off, it is a pattern - apparently supported my management to the detriment of the customers.

Some background: 
   I worked in a Fortune 50 company for many years.  My experience there was:  One mistake was a learning opportunity, the second mistake was a failure to learn and a performance failure.  I think Adobe should be performing to the same standard.

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478 Points

"we all make mistakes"?  Sorry but Adobe, with their recent massive profits, should really iron out these problems during the Beta.  Makes me think they must be running a very half-hearted and ineffective Beta programme.  It's not some small developer with limited resources, it's a huge company that makes huge profits from this software.  There is really no excuse for the nightmare that was 7.3.

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894 Points

3 years ago

Having the same problem, presets are a mess and it's not possible to find anything. It ruins the whole workflow I have created. I think Adobe you should stop charging a subscription fee until you fix your software so that users won't have to downgrade to be able to use it...

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890 Points

I agree.  Being unable to prioritize your presets (etc) over the unwelcome, canned presets is a major frustration, headache, and productivity killer. 
   I think it is just bizarre that Adobe would choose to design their product in such a manner - and then to expect the established user base to support it is even more bizarre.
    I'd be happy if they rolled out a product that allow me to do my work my way - like it used to be.

Adobe Administrator

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117.4K Points

3 years ago

Presets should be sorting better in the 7.3.1 release launched earlier today. Please give us additional feedback after installing it and reviewing sort order on presets in their various locations. 
 

Adobe Photography Products

Quality Engineering - Customer Advocacy

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28.2K Points

Did the Show Lightroom Presets Folder issue not get fixed with this patch? Why when i click the button is it still taking me to the old presets folder? And actually it's not even opening the old presets folder, but the LR folder which contains the old presets...

And why can we still not delete all the default Adobe crud presets which are never needed? In the presets tab in develop, if i click on a preset or folder, the minus button appears active but does nothing... why is this? Why can't i delete presets which i'm not using?

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174 Points

I hate to say it, but it is no better than before.

No renaming or ordering of folders still.
The option of creating a folder is gone in the main menu (that’s not what I wanted when I complained it doesn’t work).
Adobe folders still stubbornly Stick to the top. (Why?)
At least in folder ordering of presets seems not to be random any more.

But what’s with the folders?
Here I am, almost ready to jump ship, you release a few great updates that really improve things, and I think all will be well. And then you break something basic. Admin get it, mistakes can happen. So you push out another update with bug fixes. And I think great. Good response. Until I find it didn’t do much for my main problems. Can you at least deprioritize the default folders? They are really in the way. And docoverability should be hurt for newcomers if you do.

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> Did the Show Lightroom Presets Folder issue not get fixed with this patch? Why when i click the button is it still taking me to the old presets folder?

No, that button still correctly takes you to where the REST of the Lightroom Presets are stored (like Metadata Presets, etc.). What they need is a second button to take you to the Camera Raw folder. And no, that's not in - this was an emergency hot fix for the biggest issues.

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152 Points

Still not working.  If I change the name of a preset (02A. Brightness +.25 to 02A. Brightness +.33, the preset drops out of order to the bottom of the list.  The only thing I changed was the end of the preset from +.25 to +.33.  This is very frustrating!!  Please properly fix!!!

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212 Points

7.3.1 didn't change a thing: still improperly sorted, impossible to delete or rename.

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114 Points

3 years ago

Hey, Adobe! It's frustrating. After update to 7.3.1 the issue is present yet. Presets not sorting alphabetically, the user can't delete or rename preset, or just call the context menu with a right-click. Remember just when you squeeze the lemon, some juice are flowing through the fingers.

p.s. Oh, and now I can't move collections between the collection sets. Cmon, Adobe, Do something and better do it faster. You raise the cost of subscription and now you kicking desktop users (including professionals) out. Somewhere CaptureOne managers have a party.

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100 Points

2 years ago

Can someone tell me what a double ~ means infront of my old presets? Some have a single and some a double. 

Also if I remove the ~ at the front of my old presets will that tell Lightroom to re-convert that preset to .xmp?

Thanks. 

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It just means it was reconverted to fix some issues introduced in 7.3. https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/not-all-presets-are-converted.html

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If you remove the ~ at the front of your old presets that will indeed tell Lightroom to re-convert that preset to .xmp, so don't do that unless there is a compelling reason for it.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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60 Points

2 years ago

7.31 is a big improvement, but they only fixed alphabetical and not numerical.

If you have presets with numbers, it sorts by the first digit, so:
Preset 1
Preset 10
Preset 11
Preset 12
Preset 2
Preset 3

etc.

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152 Points

Nope.  I changed the end of a preset and it dropped it to the bottom of my list

02A. Brightness +.25
to
02A. Brightness +.33

That's all it took to screw the order.

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602 Points

they are so retarded that they sort alphabetically but not numerically.. who are their engineers, surely any braindead person would realise sort order means ALL sort order not just Alphabetical.

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1.7K Points

Ditto that.  Renaming presets irreversibly messes up any sort order again.  

And if you try to save a preset with a ":", it won't save (and it won't tell you it didn't save either).  Oddly, I can re-name a preset with a ":" and it will stick, except, of course it will show up at the bottom of the preset list again...

If anyone is going to fix the preset panel, while you're at it can you incorporate a drag and drop system so users can order their presets/folders the way we want without having to add leading zeros/numbers/letters?

And redesign the terrible spacing/indenting of the preset panel so we can see more of the preset name in the same-sized window. For the love of God even my tool tips for preset names get cut off (if they show up in the first place).  Space is valuable here, as preset names need to be somewhat descriptive.  We could see 5/8" more of a preset name in the same-sized panel without sacrificing anything if someone would redesign the panel so that:
1) The folder arrows were flush with the left side of the panel (why would they ever start in the middle of the panel anyway??)
2) The preset icons were eliminated (what is the purpose of them anyway??), and preset names start under folder names (1/4" away from left side of panel)
3)  Drag/drop sort order were implemented and we no longer have to add a 2-digit minimum number/letter combo to the folder and/or preset names.  

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1.7K Points

I'm noticing that presets I rename no longer work.  They appear to work-hovering over them shows what the preset SHOULD do, but clicking on the preset (and un-hovering) shows that the preset did nothing...

WHAT IS HAPPENING???

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94 Points

2 years ago

Hello. Unfortunately also the new version of Lightroom remains unuseful.

My main challenges with 7.3.1 are:

- I can't see new presets both in Lightroom and in the destination folder when I create them

- I can't get in alphabetical order older presets renamed in 7.3.0, even

changing the name more than one time

- Only a part of presets are now in alphabetical order. This is a

relevant part but the change is not complete.

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894 Points

2 years ago

I guess this sums up how well the sorting of presets works :)

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894 Points

Also, not sure if this has been reported, but if you create a new preset in folder A, then move it in Lightroom to folder B (drag & drop), it stays in folder A when you check the file location in file explorer...

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2.6K Points

2 years ago

I have updated to LR 7.3.1 running on a Win 7 Professional 64bit OS based machine. My 'Presets' are stock--I have made no changes. They are displayed as follows:



Is this what the panel is supposed to look like? I doesn't appear to be alphabetically sorted to me.

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Yes, consider them as grouped:
1: Adobe general presets
2: Adobe effects presets
3: Adobe Classic presets
4: Custom presets
Inside each group everything sorts as expected. When you specify some presets as 'favorite', you will see that the Favorites group comes all the way at the top.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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2 years ago

Well, looking inside this is what I see:



Doesn't look like it's alphabetical to me

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Presets sort by an internal field. So whether or not the Adobe presets sort alphabetically is (probably) by design. But your own custom presets should sort correctly now.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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OK, I'll take your word for it. If that's the case it is certainly confusing and somewhat illogical. No wonder the sorting of 'Presets' has raised so many questions lately.

Thanks for your comments on my questions.

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93K Points

2 years ago

I just released the free Fix Presets plugin that corrects the ordering bug with a click of a button. You may need to invoke the plugin whenever you rename presets, change their groups (folders), or import new ones from earlier versions of LR.

The plugin also provides workarounds for a number of other develop preset issues.

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John, thanks for creating this plugin. My User Develop presets are a mess so I'd like to give it a try. Exactly what does it do and how will this affect future LR updates that correct the sort order?

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The new preset format in .xmp files has a SortName field that is used for sorting the presets.  Camera Raw consistently sets SortName, but some operations in LR set SotName, some leave it empty (freshman programming). The Fix Ordering button of Fix Presets sets the field  to a version of the Name field, so that all the presets sort consistently.

FIx Presets will replace numbers embedded in the name with zero-padded numbers, to achieve the proper numeric sorting that was present in LR 7.2 and earlier and is still used in the Collections and Folders panels.  For example, collections with leading numbers in their names will sort "1 C", "3 C", "20 C".  Given a preset name "23 - 5 Orange", Fix Presets will give it the SortName "000023 - 000005 Orange", to achieve the proper sorting.  (Internally, LR has a sort function that does this hybrid numeric sorting, but the programmer forgot to use it in the new Presets panel.)

If/when a future release of LR fixes the issue, presets that have been corrected by Fix Prests will continue to work and sort properly.  (The internal LR numeric sorting treats a leading "000023" in the name the same as "23".)

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Sounds good I'll give it try and report back.

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The Restore Original command will restore your original preset .xmp files if you don't like the results.

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I just tried the 'Fix Ordering' function and I'm getting the below error message on every preset. There also doesn't appear to be a way to cancel the operation and I've got a lot of presets. Any ideas?