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Tue, Apr 3, 2018 4:52 PM

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Lightroom Classic 7.3: Develop presets not sorting correctly

They used to be sorted alphabetically. In version 7.3 the order is random

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Adobe Administrator

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15.5K Messages

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291.8K Points

3 years ago

We're investigating this issue. Thanks for reporting.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

Champion

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56.7K Points

3 years ago

Yes, this is an old problem with MacOS X High Sierra, which unfortunately has returned. Adobe is aware of it and working on a fix.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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478 Points

I have the problem on both MAC OS X Sierra and El Capitan

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990 Points

Hi Johan, see my response below. Not a problem with High Sierra... problem is with .lrtemplate to .xmp conversion.

Adobe Administrator

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3 years ago

Hi John, I referenced this in your PR bug. Thanks.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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174 Points

Also, why are the default folders always stuck on the top? This is highly annoying, even with the favourites thing. It's getting in the way of my workflow.
Also, why is there no way to rename a folder, or delete it. Auto-Delete when empty is a bit silly, and breaks fodler creation right now.

The new update is awesome, but your changes to the preset interface are just no good.

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890 Points

I agree with Stefan.  The inability to reorder to suit the User's preference is highly frustrating and impacts my workflow.  I believe this should be fixed as high priority matter.  (FYI: I'm on a Windows 10 system.)

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332 Points

3 years ago

I also have the sorting issue using Mac OS 10.12.6

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64 Points

Same here.

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700 Points

3 years ago

Renaming every preset in a given group and then returning them to their original name will fix the sorting, although this is not ideal for those of us with hundreds of presets.

Champion

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But are they still sorted after a restart? This is an older bug that returned, and with the old bug you could force a correct sort order by adding a new presets. But after a restart the sort order was once again broken. I'm typing this on my iPad, so I can't check it myself.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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358 Points

Renaming presets doesn't move them in the sorting order for me. They simply remain sorted in the same (unorganized) place. Windows 10.

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358 Points

3 years ago

Same issue, Windows 10.

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60 Points

Same for me using Windows 10 - would have hoped this release was tested first!

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990 Points

3 years ago

OK - I think I've solved this little mystery... it doesn't have anything to do with High Sierra (it's happening to me on El Capitan) BUT with the XMP presets conversion (and differences in convention between the .lrtemplate files and the .xmp files). 

Inside an .lrtemplate file, there are two name properties... "internalName" and "title"... when you initially create a preset file, they are both the same. But it is possible for the "title" to become different than the "internalName" (especially for preset developers who are editing .lrtemplate files directly). 

Example of .lrtemplate file:




So here, I must have changed the title directly in a text editor.

In any case, this didn't matter, because ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF LIGHTROOM only looked at the "title" property to determine how to sort presets.

Enter LR Classic 7.3 and the .xmp conversion...

XMP also has a number of properties related to the name of the preset. The "Name" property is the displayed name...

BUT... XMP has a "SortName" property. And this property determines how Lightroom actually sorts the presets.

When LR 7.3 converted .lrtemplate files to .xmp files, it took the "internalName" and placed it in the "SortName" property... 

Example...



AND unlike all previous lightroom versions, the .xmp presets actually do get sorted by the sortName property... 

So now, inside Lightroom Classic, you see presets that are mostly sorted, but with seemingly random deviations from that sorting...



All that to say, I wish that Adobe hadn't assumed that we wanted the internalName to now be used a sorting device (which it never had been before). But I don't think it is cool that now we have the ability to do custom orders without changing the display name!

Now... I've got a lot of presets to update...

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478 Points

Great work, but are you really gonna correct all your presets by editing the metadata?  It would take me days I think...

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990 Points

I'll edit the ones I make and send out updates to everyone who has bought my presets... but yeah, not gonna update every preset in my library... hopefully Adobe will solve?

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700 Points

This is excellent work, and at the very least will help Adobe narrow down a solution. Thanks for sharing!

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Since xmp files are plain text, this could be fixed with a script in a text editor or something like Perl. I don't use presets so it isn't a problem for me, just saying.

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90 Points

for the meanwhile, I rolled back to an earlier version. 

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112 Points

I hope Adobe can solve this with an update, but since the file name / sort name discrepancy is already baked into the .XMP file itself, I'm not sure how Adobe could fix the problem with a Lightroom update itself.

On that note, can anybody figure out how to do this in KomodoEdit? (Notepad++?)

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So... I got tired of updating presets manually, so I went ahead and built a bash script for Mac users that fixes sorting automatically...

Tested with around 1,000 presets on OS X El Capitan... took about 10 seconds for the script to go through all of them, restarted Lightroom Classic 7.3, and everything is ordered just like it was. :)

Just put the script and instructions to use up for free on my website. http://natephotographic.com/lightroom-classic-7-3-presets-sorted-wrong-order/

Really curious to hear how it works for other (especially Sierra and High Sierra folks)?

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990 Points

So... I got tired of updating presets manually, so I went ahead and built a bash script for Mac users that fixes sorting automatically...

Tested with around 1,000 presets on OS X El Capitan... took about 10 seconds for the script to go through all of them, restarted Lightroom Classic 7.3, and everything is ordered just like it was. :)

Just put the script and instructions to use up for free on my website. http://natephotographic.com/lightroom-classic-7-3-presets-sorted-wrong-order/

Really curious to hear how it works for other (especially Sierra and High Sierra folks)?

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478 Points

Wow Nathan, great work and thanks alot for sharing!  
I notice that the script works on the original .lrtemplate files, and then LR Classic will re-convert them into the xml format.  My question is - what happens to the presets that have already been converted?

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You're welcome!

OK - so removing the ~ from the .lrdevelop file causes it to overwrite the equivalently named .xmp file when it is re-converted.

The script I wrote will only do this in cases where there is found to be a mismatch between the "internalName" and the "title". So it should only overwrite the .xmp files where there was a mismatch. This should help at least limit issues caused by conversion, or accidentally overwriting a .xmp file you have changed. That said, if you've made a lot of changes to the .xmp files directly, probably a good idea to backup before using the script.

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90 Points

3 years ago

Same here on Win10  - ‎Shai Bachar‎ to Adobe Photoshop LightroomYesterday at 1:12am · 
NEW update NEW PROBLEMS. Hi Adobe. now what? new updated ruined the order of my presets and it's all mess now. instead of improving your slowing Classic CC, you're adding unnecessary presets of your own. I've never thought I'd consider working with other application. You're making me think it's time to do so... :-(

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112 Points

Hi Shai,

I recognize those presets! :-P

Don't worry, I'm almost done with our solution. Will be rolled out very soon...

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890 Points

I agree that the new version is a mess.  I too am seriously considering abandoning LR.  It will be painful, but so is dealing with Adobe's continual release of dysfunctional 'improvements'.
   In this release not only are they messing with how the user is able to customize and reorder presets, but the new Profiles functionally absolutely screws up and adds unnecessary / unwelcome complexity to managing image tonality. 
   You'd think that Adobe would be testing their products before release; and that they'd be using Focus Groups to assess their new ideas - apparently not.  Its up to the customer to find the problems after the buggy software is released.

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478 Points

Art, I agree this release is a bit of a mess... but they are bugs that will be ironed out in future updates.  In the meantime there is a simple solution - simply revert back to version 7.2 and it will work perfectly as it did before... (this is what I have done).

I do believe that the new 'Profiles' work a bit differently under the hood, but as far as my workflow goes they are just the same old profiles doing what they always did.  We've all been using them for years whether we were aware of it or not, the only difference is that now they are more visible at the top of the basic panel.  But as far as I see it is a UI change only, and it need only affect your workflow if you want it to.

Good luck anyway... !

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Seth,
My apologies for such a tardy response.
   I did decide to quit whining, to roll back to 7.2, and wait for other users to prove that Adobe can release stable, functional software.
  After rolling back to 7.2, I found that some of the new 7.3 bugs traveled backward with the roll-back - especially in the file management arena.  Yes, disappointed again.
   Then 7.3.1 was released - more dysfunctional software.
Remembering the question 'What is the definition of insanity', I am now considering abandoning the "Class CC" platform altogether.  

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288 Points

3 years ago

Dear Adobe - based on the above, it appears this is an Adobe created problem.  You have a LOT of preset developers scrambling.  Please provide a fix asap.  It should be much easier on your end - based on the info provided by Nathan Johnson above - on what needs to be done.

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100 Points

3 years ago

I hope we get a fix soon, being a heavy user of Mastin Labs and VSCO Presets for my workflow it has disrupted my delivery to clients. I reached out to VSCO and Mastin Labs customer support who are aware of the issue but have little control on their side for a fix. What Nathan has highlighted seems to be correct and hopefully this helps Adobe release an update soon. Till then I have uninstalled Lightroom and re-installed and will not install my presets till there is a Lightroom update. Not going through the tiresome process of cleaning/renaming Presets directories. 

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478 Points

To be fair Mastin and VSCO could offer updated presets which would sort correctly in the new version of LR if they wanted to.  They probably hope that Adobe issue a fix sooner.  Either way, this update is incredibly frustrating.  Personally, I have reverted to v7.2 and I will stick with it until the problem is resolved.

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112 Points

I'm currently re-renaming ~400 presets. I know how frustrating this is, and based on the nature of the problem I know how slim my chances are that a LR update could fix the problem, sooner than I could...

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102 Points

how do you rename the presets so that i can re input them into lr?

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112 Points

3 years ago


...Oh, this is going to be SO MUCH FUN!!! THANKS ADOBE!

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102 Points

3 years ago

so absolutely frustrated.. i have purchased and made hundreds of presets over the years.. now... with the update.. they are not only all over the place.. but half of them can't be imported.. frustrated.. need a fix... 

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176 Points

3 years ago

You Lose Preset Folders when you Import a new folder of presets. All newly imported presets display ONLY in USER PRESETS folder. Not individual folders.

That will NEVER work. Allow us to import a folder as we did in the past. We cannot work with hundreds of presets in the User Folder. Did Adobe do any beta testing on this?

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Here's a workaround from https://lightroomkillertips.com/managing-develop-presets-7-3-update-classic/

As far as I can tell, the only way within Classic to create new preset folders is to create a new (dummy) preset, and within the New Develop Preset dialog, you can click the Group drop-down menu and choose New Group to create a new group/folder for your new preset. Once the preset is created, it will be in the new folder you created at the same time. You can then drag and drop presets into that folder as needed. Note, empty folders disappear, so don’t get rid of your dummy preset until you put others in that folder. You can use this convoluted process to rename a folder by creating a new folder with the renamed-name, moving presets into that new folder, and the empty folder with the old name goes poof.
Check out the link for more info and photos of the steps required.

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176 Points

Thanks @John TheBikeman. I just read that link over in a LR Facebook group. Great minds think alike! You are so kind to respond. 

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176 Points

3 years ago

My presets are in order, other than 1, 10, 11, 12, then 2, 20, 21, 3, 4, 5 ... come on, what is this, the 1990s? I haven't seen ordering like than since last century. SMH.

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278 Points

3 years ago

I will chime in too that I have purchased many presets and spent hours organizing them so they appear above the defaults, using = and 1,2,3 to flow in a way that is fast for me. This is a major cramp in my editing time to search around for the ones I want. Please fix asap, Adobe.