Lightroom Classic 7.3: Develop presets not sorting correctly

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Yes, this is an old problem with MacOS X High Sierra, which unfortunately has returned. Adobe is aware of it and working on a fix.

Hi John, I referenced this in your PR bug. Thanks.

I also have the sorting issue using Mac OS 10.12.6

Renaming every preset in a given group and then returning them to their original name will fix the sorting, although this is not ideal for those of us with hundreds of presets.

Same issue, Windows 10.

OK - I think I've solved this little mystery... it doesn't have anything to do with High Sierra (it's happening to me on El Capitan) BUT with the XMP presets conversion (and differences in convention between the .lrtemplate files and the .xmp files). 

Inside an .lrtemplate file, there are two name properties... "internalName" and "title"... when you initially create a preset file, they are both the same. But it is possible for the "title" to become different than the "internalName" (especially for preset developers who are editing .lrtemplate files directly). 

Example of .lrtemplate file:




So here, I must have changed the title directly in a text editor.

In any case, this didn't matter, because ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF LIGHTROOM only looked at the "title" property to determine how to sort presets.

Enter LR Classic 7.3 and the .xmp conversion...

XMP also has a number of properties related to the name of the preset. The "Name" property is the displayed name...

BUT... XMP has a "SortName" property. And this property determines how Lightroom actually sorts the presets.

When LR 7.3 converted .lrtemplate files to .xmp files, it took the "internalName" and placed it in the "SortName" property... 

Example...



AND unlike all previous lightroom versions, the .xmp presets actually do get sorted by the sortName property... 

So now, inside Lightroom Classic, you see presets that are mostly sorted, but with seemingly random deviations from that sorting...



All that to say, I wish that Adobe hadn't assumed that we wanted the internalName to now be used a sorting device (which it never had been before). But I don't think it is cool that now we have the ability to do custom orders without changing the display name!

Now... I've got a lot of presets to update...

Same here on Win10  - ‎Shai Bachar‎ to Adobe Photoshop LightroomYesterday at 1:12am · 
NEW update NEW PROBLEMS. Hi Adobe. now what? new updated ruined the order of my presets and it's all mess now. instead of improving your slowing Classic CC, you're adding unnecessary presets of your own. I've never thought I'd consider working with other application. You're making me think it's time to do so... :-(

Dear Adobe - based on the above, it appears this is an Adobe created problem.  You have a LOT of preset developers scrambling.  Please provide a fix asap.  It should be much easier on your end - based on the info provided by Nathan Johnson above - on what needs to be done.

I hope we get a fix soon, being a heavy user of Mastin Labs and VSCO Presets for my workflow it has disrupted my delivery to clients. I reached out to VSCO and Mastin Labs customer support who are aware of the issue but have little control on their side for a fix. What Nathan has highlighted seems to be correct and hopefully this helps Adobe release an update soon. Till then I have uninstalled Lightroom and re-installed and will not install my presets till there is a Lightroom update. Not going through the tiresome process of cleaning/renaming Presets directories. 

...Oh, this is going to be SO MUCH FUN!!! THANKS ADOBE!

so absolutely frustrated.. i have purchased and made hundreds of presets over the years.. now... with the update.. they are not only all over the place.. but half of them can't be imported.. frustrated.. need a fix... 

You Lose Preset Folders when you Import a new folder of presets. All newly imported presets display ONLY in USER PRESETS folder. Not individual folders.

That will NEVER work. Allow us to import a folder as we did in the past. We cannot work with hundreds of presets in the User Folder. Did Adobe do any beta testing on this?

My presets are in order, other than 1, 10, 11, 12, then 2, 20, 21, 3, 4, 5 ... come on, what is this, the 1990s? I haven't seen ordering like than since last century. SMH.

I will chime in too that I have purchased many presets and spent hours organizing them so they appear above the defaults, using = and 1,2,3 to flow in a way that is fast for me. This is a major cramp in my editing time to search around for the ones I want. Please fix asap, Adobe.