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Thu, Mar 29, 2018 8:57 AM

Lightroom CC: Lightroom Classic: Lightroom Mobile: Duplicate pictures using iCloud

Because of limitation of LR CC I need to use LR classic CC
As a apple user, some pictures comes from my iPhone.
BUT : every pictures shoot using iPhone is duplicated in CC or classic CC.
If I delete them in CC, it appears once again in classic.

Furethemore after importing using CC (I'm not sure if pictures imported using classic CC are sync in cloud (SO CONFUSING)) they are
1) not deleted from my SD car
2) If I import a second batch, CC tries to import once again old pictures

In fact I spent my time to delete picture instead of organise,

Any solution?

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3 years ago

If you add a picture from the iPhone to Lightroom CC on the iPhone (or shoot it with the Lightroom CC built-in camera), it will be downloaded into your Lightroom Classic catalog if that catalog is synched. Removing it from the phone will not remove it from Lightroom CC; you have to do it the other way round. Remove the image from the 'All Synched Photographs' collection in Lightroom Classic. That will remove it from Lightroom CC, and all the devices that use Lightroom CC. Don't worry, you won't lose it completely. It will still be kept as a local image in Lightroom Classic. If you do want to delete it completely, then delete it from Lightroom Classic and from disk.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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TY
Sorry, English is not my mother tongue.
My problem is to be sure everything is in the cloud, I import only using Lightroom CC, not classic.
My concern is different :  there is some auto import from iCloud library pictures to Lightroom CC. Then I can see pictures in Lightroom classic. Thats great (I don't know where are my pictures, so I hope I will lose nothing) One again, SOOOO CONFUSING.
But every picture imported from iCloud is duplicated. Don't know how to explain and how to manage that.

Go for C1, succeed your cloud by yourself 

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3 years ago

The root cause of the problem is that images shot with the Apple Photo app are automatically imported into Lr Cc Mobile. This should not be the case. If you turn off the setting which allows Lr to access the camera roll, it also turns off the Lr Cc camera. If you save an image from Lr Cc to the camera roll, the copy gets re-imported into Lr leading to a duplicate. The solution to all of this is to provide a way to turn off Lr automatic importing from the camera while still allowing use of the Lr camera. A second issue is that all images shot with the Apple app get imported and the original stored on the Adobe cloud thereby using up a share of the 20 gb limit. There are duplicates between the camera roll and the Adobe cloud.

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> The solution to all of this is to provide a way to turn off Lr automatic importing from the camera while still allowing use of the Lr camera.

Tap the LR icon top left> General and disable Auto Add Photos to do that.

Although I'd do the opposite and figure out where the duplicates are coming from.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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I've tried. Obliviously I will have to import manually which is faster than delete and delete and delete

Once again the queen check mate

Next thread, how to get rid of Lightroom CC, use only Lightroom classic but importe and synchronise in adobe cloud the whole pictures

Go for C1, succeed your cloud by yourself 

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Thank you. I did not know about that setting. I have been relying on the Lr settings in the iOS settings menu. Your solution works. The iOS settings switches don’t allow shutting off auto import and continued use of Lr Cc camera - bad.

It’s obvious where the duplicates are coming from.
1. Take a shot with the iPhone camera. The original is created in Photos app.
2. Lr automatically imports the shot and creates an original on Adobe cloud (a duplicate of Photos)
3. Lr Cc syncs with Lr Classic and creates a 3rd original on the desktop.

In addition to making this all less confusing, Lr needs a capability to easily find the duplicate originals on both the cloud and desktop. This would facilitate deleting whichever the user wanted.

Yes, you can find them by looking thru all synced photos, but that is error prone and time consuming if they are intermixed with other images imported straight from classic. It’s messy.

Hopefully this is Cc growing pains. The syncing concept is very powerful. It just needs to be refined.

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> Lr Cc syncs with Lr Classic and creates a 3rd original on the desktop.

Take a photo with iPhone camera > LRCC imports it and sends it to the cloud > LR Classic downloads it from the cloud. That's just one copy of the photo on the desktop. How are the other copies getting there?

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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When Lr Classic downloads from the Adobe cloud, an “original” is left behind on the cloud.

When Lr Cc imports from camera roll, an “original” is left in Photos.

That makes 3 full size “originals”

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Just crasy Adobe did not see this kind of problem before releasing those 2 software
Things are by far too much complex and time consuming instead of simply working.

Go for C1, succeed your cloud by yourself 

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Victoria, please consider another example.  Forget camera roll and Photos app.  Take a picture with your iphone using the Lr Cc camera.  Its a dng file.  If its HDR, it may be as big as 30 to 40 mb.  This gets loaded to the Adobe cloud and then onto Lr Classic. So far, so good.

But consider whats left behind on the Adobe cloud ... a 30 mb dng file "original".
What is desired on the cloud would be a small smart preview only.  

Given that there is a 30 mb dng on Classic and another 30 mb dng on the cloud, we have the duplicate situation.  This can quickly eat up to 20 gb allocation.  Hence the need to delete the "duplicate" from the cloud.

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> Given that there is a 30 mb dng on Classic and another 30 mb dng on the cloud, we have the duplicate situation

Some would call that backup! ;-)

But to solve that, remove the photo from All Synced Photos collection in Classic to remove the original from the cloud, and when it's finished syncing, add it back to upload a smart preview. Can't do anything about Photos.app though, as Apple controls that.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Yep, I understand. But the “backup original” quickly eats up the 20 gb allocation. Wasteful and inconvenient. What happened to the virtues of smart previews?

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3 years ago

The problem is a little worse than I previously stated. Shoot an image with the Apple Photo app and it gets imported automatically into Lr Cc Mobile. Now you have 2 originals of that image. Then Lr Cc syncs back to Lr Classic and you now have 3 original copies - triplicates.


You can do what Johan suggested and it works. But the problem should not exist in the 1st place!

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Just to be clear, this is how the program is designed to function. If you don't want two copies of your original image on your phone then do as Victoria suggests:

1. Click the Lr icon at the top left of the main screen:



2. Click General on the next screen:



3. Turn off "Auto Add Photos" (and videos if you like):



That will stop Lightroom from automatically adding it to your Lightroom Library.

You could also shoot pictures with the Lightroom camera instead of the iPhone's camera. You can quickly access the Lightroom camera by using a long press on the Lr Mobile icon.

Lightroom Mobile is designed to store your original, full resolution photo, in the Cloud giving you an automatic backup. That's a cool thing! Yes, you only have 20GB of space with a basic subscription but you can always upgrade. 

It is also designed to share that image with any synced Lr Classic catalog. If you don't like that you can turn off syncing in Lr Classic or follow Johan's instructions.

These features are designed to give you control over how your images are shared and are intended. 

For example, I have Auto Add turned off and I manually add pictures to Lightroom as I desire. That keeps me from having to go back and delete the accidental pictures of my pocket as I reach for my phone. :-)

I hope that helps.

Rick

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Rick

Thank you for the great explanation.  I did not know about the setting you pointed out until Victoria Brampton explained it to me earlier this morning.  I was relying on the settings within the iOS Settings menu.  This solves the problem of the auto import.

I believe much of the controversy about syncing images shot with an iPhone using Lr CC Mobile could be resolved if you provided an option to leave only a smart preview behind on the cloud after you sync the original to Classic.  

What I do now is take the shot with an iPhone, upload to the Adobe cloud, sync with Classic, go into Classic and  unsync the image I just moved to Classic, go back into Lr CC on the cloud and delete the full sized original there, reenter Classic and resync the image yielding a smart preview on the cloud.

Thats a lot of work!   It makes me think twice, or maybe three times, before I use the camera on my iPhone.

I understand this is how Lr Cc is designed.  Sure, I could buy more storage on the cloud.  But not only is that expensive, but your current solution wastes a lot of cloud storage for those of us who are Classic users.  That waste can be eliminated by leaving smart previews rather than full size originals on the cloud.

I recommend rethinking your design.  Thanks for your explanation and consideration.

Chuck 

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> What I do now is take the shot with an iPhone, upload to the Adobe cloud, sync with Classic, go into Classic and  unsync the image I just moved to Classic, go back into Lr CC on the cloud and delete the full sized original there, reenter Classic and resync the image yielding a smart preview on the cloud.

We can shorten that a bit:
Take the shot with an iPhone, upload to the Adobe cloud, sync with Classic, go into Classic and remove the photo from the All Synced Photographs collection, wait for it to finish syncing (thereby removing the original from the cloud), then add the photo back into All Synced Photographs and let it sync up the smart preview. No need to go to CC.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.