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Sat, Jan 14, 2017 3:40 PM

Lightroom CC 2015.8: Radial filter reversed on 2016 MacBook Pro Touch Bar model

When I use a radial filter, the editing changes I apply take place *outside* the selected ellipse. This is a reversal of prior behavior and requires me to hit the apostrophe key every time to get what I want.

This is happening with Lightroom CC 2015.8 on macOS 10.12.2 on a 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 2.9GHz CPU, AMD Radeon 460 GPU. I'm not sure it's *always* happened, because I haven't had the machine for too long, but it's possible it's a recent change. As far as I can tell ordinary linear gradients are OK.

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4 years ago

Is "Invert Mask" checked or unchecked? If unchecked, if you check it, does it behave the way you expect?

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Previously, if the "Invert Mask" was unchecked the adjustments were applied at the edge of the image and feathered in and, if checked, starting at the anchor point and feathered out. It now is the reverse.

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Just did some more testing. The behavior is as it was prior to CC 2015.8 IF the image didn't have an existing radial filter adjustment when I upgraded to CC 2015.8.

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I never even noticed the invert mask button until you mentioned it, but it was indeed unchecked. When I checked it before applying a radial filter, the setting stuck and I got my preferred behavior back.

To reverse my gradient directions, I use the keyboard shortcut. It's quite possible that at some point I inverted the standard behavior and didn't even notice it because it stuck, so I thought the editing changes would take place inside the ellipse by default.

I recently wiped my system and reinstalled everything from scratch, so that would explain why the behavior changed.

However, I think it's pretty silly to have the default be to apply edits outside the selection ellipse. I think that's probably what I want to do maybe 1 percent of the time. Perhaps that's just me, but for the most part I use radial gradients for spot exposure adjustments and other local changes to one patch or another, not for adjustments that affect everything except for a protected region. Maybe I'm anomalous; I don't have Adobe's usage data.

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A lot of people use it for off-center vignettes, which is the logic behind the default.

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That is pretty much how I use it too. Off-center Vignettes...

Adobe Photography Products
Quality Engineer: Customer Advocacy

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4 years ago

Lightroom CC 2015.8 on my MacBook Pro with Touch Bar OS 10.12.2 is behaving similarly. In addition, I can't edit existing radial filter adjustments; I can add and edit new radial filter adjustments. Are you having the same problem?

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I'm not having that problem myself.

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4 years ago

Stephen,

The Radial filter will 'remember' to default a certain way and should be modifiable.  If you go to a new image with no Radial filters yet applied and open the Radial dialog, there is an Invert check box.  If you check or uncheck this box B E F O R E applying any filter to the image, it should remember that this is your default (until you change it again) for all new applications of the filter.  

Let me know if this isn't the case.

Adobe Photography Products
Quality Engineer: Customer Advocacy

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Yes, that worked -- see my response above to Jeffrey Tranberry if you want more detail.

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4 years ago

IMHO, this is a very non-intuative default. If one is applying a radial filter it is usually to filter something inside the selection. Inverting should always be an exception to the behavior. It shouldn't 'remember' the last setting.The current behavior just isn't intuitive.

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Agreed about default being editing inside the selection. I could be persuaded either way about the setting sticking once you've used it.

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4 years ago

I think, as someone using both LR and Photoshop, the LR behavior is inconsistent with PS. When you "select" something in PS, inverse is never the default. To select something specific is implied. This is one of those LR quirks that drives me crazy! Whenever a software program tries to anticipate what I want, it's usually to opposite of what I really want. If the developers don't want to change the current behavior, at least create a configurable option "save last inverse action" or something like that.

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Per Jeffrey Tranberry above, LR does remember your last invert/not invert setting if you select it before fiddling with the edit settings. That worked for me, and makes this a minor issue for me.

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It does not work for me. This is driving me crazy!!! No matter what I do it effects outside of the circle. Please help I use this a lot and it is screwed up now