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Fri, Mar 18, 2016 5:07 AM

Lightroom CC 2015: Lens metadata field missing on import

Since updating Photoshop and Lightroom, I've noticed that the aux:lens metadata field is being deleted from my images on import, such that there is no lens listed after import. I've determined that it's Camera Raw 9.5 that seems to be the culprit, as lens metadata is retained if I use an older version of the DNG Converter v8.8 to import the same images.

For example, I had an image shot on a Sony RX100 III at 8.8mm. If I import this image with the old version of DNG Converter, and then open the converted DNG in Photoshop, the lens is reported with the full-frame equivalent focal lengths, i.e., 24-70mm F1.8-2.8, and the raw metadata has the correct aux:Lens field (24-70mm F1.8-2.8).

Conversely, if I import the same image directly into Photoshop or Lightroom, the metadata will display the correct focal length, but will not display the lens information; Lightroom reports this only as "unknown lens," and in Photoshop the aux:Lens field is missing completely.

For now, I will use the old version of DNG Converter as a workaround, but this is inconvenient, and really should be fixed.

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Adobe Administrator

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295.3K Points

5 y ago

This should be fixed in the Lightroom CC 2015.5.1/6.5.1 update that was released today: http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2016/04/lightroom-cc-2015-5-1-now-available.html

See this document for parsing the lens metadata: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/lens-metadata-hidden-on-some-cameras-in-lightroom-6-5.html

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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444 Points

Thank you! I read about it in Nikon Club Nederland's forum.
Funny thing: all my missing lens data have meanwhile reappeared, without any intervention on my part.
Even more outlandish: my Lr CC version is still the same 2015.5 (without the added ".1") and my last update was 42 days ago. Perhaps my camera type (Nikon D800) has something to do with this?
Or have you been working some Adobe Magic?
(Needless to say, I am NOT going install this ".1" update for now, if I can help it.

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5.1K Points

5 y ago

I could not reproduce this with my equipment so it could be the interaction of DNG converter with your specific camera and/or lens. 

You can try it yourself. Here's the NEF i tested with: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nid1pimmdpsiup4/RM_20160227_134751.nef?dl=0

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598 Points

5 y ago

Thanks for sending the example. Unfortunately, it did it with your image as well. Here's an excerpt of the EXIF raw data when I opened the image directly with Photoshop:

<aux:LensInfo>700/10 2000/10 28/10 28/10</aux:LensInfo>

<aux:LensID>162</aux:LensID>

<aux:ImageNumber>28829</aux:ImageNumber>

<aux:ApproximateFocusDistance>266/10</aux:ApproximateFocusDistance>

<photoshop:DateCreated>2016-02-27T13:47:51.001</photoshop:DateCreated>

Here's the EXIF data when I first converted with the old DNG Converter, and then opened in Photoshop (additional field bolded for emphasis):

<aux:LensInfo>700/10 2000/10 28/10 28/10</aux:LensInfo>

<aux:LensID>162</aux:LensID>

<aux:ImageNumber>28829</aux:ImageNumber>

<aux:ApproximateFocusDistance>266/10</aux:ApproximateFocusDistance>

<aux:Lens>70.0-200.0 mm f/2.8</aux:Lens>

<photoshop:DateCreated>2016-02-27T13:47:51.001</photoshop:DateCreated>

So unfortunately this looks like a replicable error across different lenses and cameras. Perhaps I have a corrupt installation of the latest version of Camera RAW. Does anyone know if there's a way to do a manual reinstall/update without losing all my data or settings?

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5 y ago

You could send me one of your images as a sample. I can make a screenshot of what Lightroom shows. Here is a screenshot of the information Bridge is showing me of the DNG a made with the latest DNG converter: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sfcel4o5zqllurh/lensinfo2.JPG?dl=0

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5 y ago

This is the RAW file directly copied from my camera: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4M7Ie_2T_HgV2lhTFR2dDdhT0U/view?usp=sharing

This is a DNG file after I imported the image using Lightroom, and then told it to export a DNG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4M7Ie_2T_Hgb0xPc01uT0Q0Y2s/view?usp=sharing

I suspect the first image will have the lens info, whereas the second will not.

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5 y ago

Hmm, Bridge is showing me the lens information in both situations. Only thing i did was downloading te files and open them in bridge:
NEF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6hp7u3ffvmyrp9i/NEFinBridge.JPG?dl=0
DNG: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rcgzacyy5zs8vze/DNGinBridge.JPG?dl=0

Lightroom does show the same information.
I'm testing on a windows 10 environment. I will repeat it on my Macbook. When the results are differtent i let you know.

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5 y ago

I think there's a bug in LR CC 2015.5 / 6.5 with respect to lens information.  I downloaded Roelof's sample NEF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nid1pimmdpsiup4/RM_20160227_134751.nef?dl=0

When I import it into 2015.5, the Library Metadata panel doesn't show any Lens and the Lens column in the filter bar shows Unknown Lens:



But the Enable Profile Corrections panel in Develop infers the correct lens and profile:



In LR 5.7.1, however, the Metadata panel and the Lens column in the filter bar show the correct lens:



Tested on both OS X 10.11.2 and Windows 10.

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598 Points

Yes, that's exactly the issue I'm having. The lens profile does appear to be imported correctly, but the Lens metadata is missing in 2015.5. I've only tested on OS X, but can re-test on Windows 10 tonight.

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80 Points

I'm having the exact same issue with LRCC on Windows...  

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116 Points

5 y ago

I have reproduced it to. In my 2015.5 on OS-X the lens metadata is missing. On my 2015.4 (Win 10) the information is showed. Looks indeed like a bug in 2015.5

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5 y ago

Here's another example of the problem from this thread, another NEF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B61zs8oGmc6ENzFOUWl1VU12aWs/view?usp=sharing

  

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5 y ago

I looked at a number of raw files from Canon, Sony, Pentax, Fujifilm, and Nikon cameras. Of the files I looked at, only Nikon raw files (from several different models) show the problem -- lens info imported into LR 5 but not LR 6.

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Good point. I should clarify my original post to note that I haven't actually checked this with my non-Nikon cameras; the Sony RX100 example was to point out the aux:Lens field that's missing in my imported Nikon NEF files. I can re-test with Sony and Panasonic RAW files at a later point in time, but I suspect that these will import correctly.

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826 Points

5 y ago

John has kindly posted the link to my thread and a sample image and would also like to add that the problem appears on both my iMac and my MacbookPro.  So, it is not a case of a bad update on a single machine.

Also, to re-iterate from the more detail info in the link to my post that John has kindly posted, the lens correction function within Lightroom does correctly detect the lens model used for each image.  The display of the EXIF info is lacking and thusly, in the library database it is listed as an unknown lens.

So it "seems" that Lightroom does see the EXIF fields in the photo for the lens model, but does not display a lens model in the info display and apparently does load the info into the "database".

Adobe Administrator

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5 y ago

We're able to repro here as well. Engineering is investigating and we will address this in the next update.

Please note - the metadata is still in the file - just hidden from display.

Thanks!

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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Excellent, thanks.

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Thank you Jeffrey.

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140 Points

I have a Nikon D750 with Tamron lenses. Prior to the latest update, LR 6 (Windows) displayed the lens field in Metadata. Now, in version 6.5, it does not. Thank you for working on a fix.

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My D7200 with Nikon 50mm f1.8 and sigma 70-200 f2.8 are also displaying unknown lens!

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I have just run across a new wrinkle with this issue.  Not that it really matters in this case but could help solve the issue, I have been doing library re-arranging and creation and have found that re-importing JPEGs that were created with my Canon SX-40 also do not show lens type.  In the original library created with the previous version, it clearly displayed 4.3-150.5 mm in the EXIF display window.  The imports into the new library no longer display this info.

Again, this case doesn't really matter as it is an advanced point and shoot with a fixed zoom lens, but may give some more leads as to what the issue may be.

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60 Points

I have reproduced the same problem with all my Nikon lenses and Lightroom 6.5 (camera raw 9.5) on windows 8.1.
I confirm that LENS metadata is lost in the creation of the DNG file.
Please let provide a fix asap.
Without the fix all imported images will have lost the lens model forever!

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No Mauro, no information is lost in DNG creation. It does only not show in LR6.5/2015.5.

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238 Points

I've hit the same problem in 2015.5 running on Win 7. I use a Nikon D750.

This is a pretty major issue for those of us who rely on this - basic - functionality in LR. It also impacts on my smart collections that rely on lens data (they simply don't "see" newly imported images) as well as creating exported files that also fail to include the lens metadata.

This for me is bad enough that I've had to roll back to 2015.4: a big inconvenience, and not what I expect from Creative Cloud. Fingers crossed that in another three months you'll manage to fix it with 2015.6... Hopefully that version will have had some serious beta testing done first. 

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140 Points

There is a workaround provided by Byron Chin on this page. Download the free Adobe DNG converter 8.8. Convert your photos from your camera card into a folder on your computer. Open LR and import those photos using Add. You have to use version 8.8 (or maybe other earlier versions) because the latest version 9.5 also does not import the lens field. (probably the same engine as used in LR 6.5.) Note that the DNG converter gives you the opportunity to customize the converted file name. I use a custom word + a numeric sequence that corresponds to the file number assigned by my camera, which is equivalent to Custom + Original File Number in LR Import. After you Add the photos, Lens field will be present and you can filter by Lens type.

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598 Points

Yeah, for me, the DNG converter is a passable workaround for now, as I usually converting my NEFs to DNG in any event. I think any version before 9.5 should still import properly. That said, I sure hope this is fixed by the time the D5 & D500 come around; as someone seriously considering a D500, it would sure be nice to be able to import images with Lens data into Lightroom...

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90 Points

Came to the same conclusion. - Adobe DNG converter 9.2 works fine too.

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260 Points

Will the lens metadata be refreshed automatically or will I have to do it manually?

I'd like to refresh the lens metadata for my photos but I'm afraid Lightroom would discard all other metadata since I'm not using XMP sidecar files.

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Jeffrey, How is the fix coming? Any status? Thank you.

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He said they're working on it.  The "when" question isn't something Adobe answers. 

I would expect a fix sooner than the approximately 3 months until xxx.6 would normally be released, but from what I've seen on the forums, this isn't the only issue being dealt with.

Unless you need brand-new camera support, the workaround is to roll back to LR 6.4/2015.4 by uninstalling LR 6/2015 completely--but leave the preferences, don't delete them, then reinstall LR 6/2015, then the .4 update patch, both of which can be downloaded from here: 

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/06/keeping-lightroom-up-to-date.html#lrcc2015

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100 Points

Having the same problem with my Nikkor lenses - this is very unsatisfactory and increasingly inconvenient - please fix as a matter of priority. While doing so, please ensure that the EXIF lens data on photos imported into the current release is correctly displayed on the new, fixed release.

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344 Points

I have the same problem ONLY with Nikon. All previously imported NEF files show the lens model, but newly imported don't.

Re-importing a NEF file (e.g. copy-paste in Windows Explorer) makes me lose the info only for the copy.

Sony, Apple, and Canon files I was able to test do not show this behavior.

I am really wondering why we PAY for a program where every update means there's a new thing that doesn't work properly.

Get a grip, Adobe.

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Any way to do it across the catalog easily and non-destructively? I don't have time to go through each file and do this, even doing multiple files is dangerous because I have different decisions to make on Metadata and Develop Settings to each image in a catalog :( 

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You can filter for the affected files - scroll down a bit here for step by step: http://www.lightroomqueen.com/whats-new-in-lightroom-cc-2015-5-1-and-lightroom-6-5-1/

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

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Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Yeah, I had done that already but it still is a bit hacky (word?) and does not allow me to decide if a photo is worthy of saving MetaData/Changes or not :( I want Adobe to simply fix it by just pulling Lens data on its own automatically and without user intervention... :) 

Thanks for your tips :) 

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"decide if a photo is worthy of saving MetaData/Changes"

Manny, can you provide some more details about why it's important to decide whether the photo should have its metadata saved or not?  I'm not questioning your workflow, but it's not readily apparent what you mean by "worthy of saving metadata".   More details about why that matters could make it more likely you'll influence Adobe.   (I can make guesses, but that wouldn't be very productive.)  Thanks.

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No worries... I basically have my photos in various stages of taste or desire when it comes to edits. Having to commit them blindly is not something that would work for me. I may go to an image and decide the settings are not worth it and want to go back to another state or reset completely. I know I can always reset completely but I want my settings to be untouched by the program until I want to change them. I feel that pulling Lens Data can be done automatically by Adobe without anything done by the user to the images or otherwise ;) 

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Good, thanks.

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John, is this something you can make a plug-in do?

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"Is this something you can make a plug-in do?"

The only way a plugin could do it is by saving metadata, running Exiftool, then rereading metadata (i.e. automating the manual recipe).   A plugin can't avoid saving and re-reading metadata, since the LR SDK doesn't provide plugins with the ability to directly change EXIF fields.

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"saving metadata, running Exiftool, then rereading metadata". 

Oops, running Exiftool isn't necessary in this case.  

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> I basically have my photos in various stages of taste or desire when it comes to edits. Having to commit them blindly is not something that would work for me

You do realise that writing the metadata to the files isn't final?  It's not like exporting to a rendered file format.  If you wanted to edit the file, you'd just continue moving the sliders as normal.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

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Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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No no, of course I get that. But sometimes I have edits from Photoshop or other tools that manage the sidecar files as well. Blindly doing anything isn't my favorite. Again, it should be "easy" and "simple" for adobe to simply pull the ExIF data at the time you touch the image... no need for workarounds IMO. Although it is nice to have a workaround, I want the bug fixed properly :)

Thanks

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5 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom CC 2015.5: When in Develop mode, selecting "view option" and then "len....

There No Lens information displayed  in Develop-view options-lens LR2015CC 2015.5 update

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330 Points

5 y ago

Same issue here.  Nikon D750 and Nikon 28-300 and Nikon 14-24 lenses showing up as Unknown lens in the Library Module but the Develop module correctly identifies them.  Lightroom CC 2015.5 on OS X.

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826 Points

5 y ago

Some new information on this issue.  I have found that this issue IS NOT just with NEF files from Nikons.

As a quick test, I imported an old CR2 file taken with a Canon 20D into Lightroom CC 2015.5.  Guess what??  It also does not get its lens model displayed!!!!!!

How does one roll back to 2015.4 which worked without any issues at all (for me at least)?  Also, would rolling back also blowup the work flow with Photoshop CC?  Or would it also need to be rolled back?  If so, this is a major problem, not a minor inconvenience.

Paying a monthly fee for a product, one would expect a higher quality and/or rapid turn around on fixes or updates that don't break functions that were functioning just fine!

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To roll back, follow these instructions: How do I roll back to Lightroom 2015.1.1 or Lightroom 6.1.1?  They were written a few months ago, so instead of updating to 2015.1.1 using the direct links on that page, use the 2015.0 then the 2015.4 on the main downloads page.

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Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.