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Mon, Apr 4, 2011 3:43 PM

Lightroom: Broken Keyboard Shortcuts - 3.4RC

Pressing K is supposed to open the Adjustment Brush in Develop, but it only switches to Develop.

Pressing Q is supposed to open the Spot Removal Tool in Develop, but it only switches to Develop.

Lightroom 3.3, Windows 7 x64

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10 y ago

Problem must be Win 7 64 only then because it's working fine on Win 7 32-bit, Vista, XP and Mac OS X

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10 y ago

I couldn't replicate this either, and I am on W7 64 bit

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10 y ago

It happens to me every time.

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10 y ago

I don't doubt you, but I can't repeat it. Starting from grid, I hit either letter and go straight to the appropriate tool in Develop.

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10 y ago

If you go back to Lightroom 3.3, do you still see the problem?

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Do you mean reinstalling 3.3 over top of 3.4RC? I haven't tried that...

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10 y ago

I sporadically come across this problem (Windows XP, 3.4RC). Most of the time the tool (brush, spot removal, graduated filter) is activated but sometimes only the switch to the Develop module is made.

I tried to find a way to reliably replicate the problem and I think I found a way, but here's the long story so that you can see what I did:

Here's when the problem never occurs:
1. View an image in Develop mode
2. Press "E" to change to Loupe mode
3. Press "K" to activate the brush.
In this scenario, the brush will always be active after LR has switched to the Develop module.
Sean, is it the same for you?

Here's how I can provoke the problem sometimes:

1. View an image in Develop mode
2. Press "E" to change to Loupe mode
3. Change to another image (via filmstrip or cursor keys)
4. Press "K" to activate the brush.

The trouble is, the above only works for some images with certain edits (but I think I know what the decisive edit is, see below). I have one image with edits for which the above steps fail to reproduce the problem. I have another image where the above steps always reproduce the problem.

I created a virtual copy of the image that always reproduces the problem and "Reset" all edits. The image then no longer reproduces the problem. I then undid the "Reset" removing edit by edit until I singled out the edit that either makes the bug appear or not. Turns out the presence of a "B&W" conversion is the decisive factor.

So the reliable way to reproduce the bug seems to be:
1. View an image in Develop mode
2. Press "E" to change to Loupe mode
3. Change to another image (via filmstrip or cursor keys) that contains a "B&W" conversion as part of its edits
4. Press "K" to activate the brush.

Hope this helps.

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10 y ago

Wow, it looks like you nailed it. I was about to reply, without testing, that it happens every time. But I've been working with tons of B&W images lately so I thought I had better test it out.

So yes, it only happens on images where I have switched from Develop to Grid or Loupe view, that are in Black and White, and when it's the first time I'm trying to call up the Brush or Spot tool. If I have previously called up either of those toosl for an image prior to converting to B&W then it works fine.

Very nice work TK!

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You are welcome Sean. It took me a while but I was curious whether I could pin down the circumstances under which the bug occurs. Let's hope Kevin can replicate it as well using my last four step procedure. N.B., the same procedure works for demonstrating the missing tool selection for the graduated filter and spot removal tools as well.

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"So the reliable way to reproduce the bug seems to be:
1. View an image in Develop mode
2. Press "E" to change to Loupe mode
3. Change to another image (via filmstrip or cursor keys) that contains a "B&W" conversion as part of its edits
4. Press "K" to activate the brush."

I can replicate this in 3.4RC Win7 64 bit. Well done for identifying it.

John

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10 y ago

Is anyone from Adobe taking this one, or do I need to submit a bug via the old system??

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Kevin posted above. He's an LR team member. Maybe he just hasn't been back to the thread yet.

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I've forwarded this thread on to our QEs.

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Thanks, Kevin.