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Sun, Apr 19, 2020 11:32 PM

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Forgive me, but is this the forum for what was formerly Lightroom CC, nicknamed "Cloudy"?

If so, I'm wondering what I'm doing "syncing" my LR Classic photos? I just read a long (and interesting) thread explaining that syncing LR Classic to Cloudy just puts lower Rez pictures in my 1 TB of Adobe Cloud space. Is this still correct?

And if I edit a photo in Cloudy then is it automatically synced down to LR Classic as a full resolution version? 

Or does it, perish the thought, REPLACE the full-size version on my Mac with the lower Rez version from Adobe cloud?

My overriding interest is to try out the Cloudy version of LR used on my Mac to see if I prefer it to LR Classic, which I have been using for years.

Also, what is difference between Cloudy (Lightroom Cloud) and Lightroom Mobile?

My LR Classic is:  Lightroom Classic version: 9.2.1 [ 202004070813-7699d98a ]

Thanks for any help--

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Just_Shoot_Me

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10 months ago

Never heard of any LR version nicknamed Cloudy.

There are 2 versions of LR for the Desktop Computer (A computer running a Desktop Operating system like Windows 10 or Apple Mac OS X).
Lightroom Classic which is the Traditional version of LR that has been around since 2007.
Then the newer one called just Lightroom which is a Cloud Centric version. Every image imported to this version is uploaded to the Adobe Cloud servers.

Then there is a Mobile Lightroom version for iOS and Android.
So I have no idea which version you are asking about but to my knowledge None of them have every been called Cloudy. At least not by anyone I know or have conversed with on any Adobe forum system.
Other than you.

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carlos_cardona_4982447

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Victoria Bampton, The Lightroom Queen, nicknamed Lightroom (for the Desktop) "Cloudy" when it first came out, to avoid confusion with LR Classic.

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frank_littmann_j684y1tz7ys6z

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10 months ago

As far as I know the behavior is as you described it: cloud uploads by lr classic result in smart previews within the cloud. Edits bei the cloud apps will result in a synced full res image at or classic. But be aware, the sync feature of LR classic is very buggy. Sync just works for me with a small amount of files and than the sync runs forever.

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dan_hartford

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10 months ago

these forums (or at least some of them) have adopted the terms LR/Classic and LR/Cloudy to differentiate between the catalog based version (LR/Classic) and the suite of cloud based apps (LR/Cloudy).  Just calling the cloud based apps "Lightroom" provides no end of confusion to OP's who are not up with the latest nomenclature mess from Adobe.

If so, I'm wondering what I'm doing "syncing" my LR Classic photos? I just read a long (and interesting) thread explaining that syncing LR Classic to Cloudy just puts lower Rez pictures in my 1 TB of Adobe Cloud space. Is this still correct?
When you sync from Classic to Cloudy you are indeed copying a "smart Preview" (a type of reduced size RAW file) to the cloud for use by full suite of Cloudy apps.  However those do not count against your 29gb or 1tb of storage

And if I edit a photo in Cloudy then is it automatically synced down to LR Classic as a full resolution version? 
The Smart Preview is usually adequate for editing on a phone or tablet and in most cases the desktop client for LR/Cloudy.  The changes you make in any of the Cloudy apps come back to Classic as a list of changes that get added to the Classic history file..  Note: Keywords and Collections do not sync back and forth.

Or does it, perish the thought, REPLACE the full-size version on my Mac with the lower Rez version from Adobe cloud?
Your full size RAW file is not altered by syncing.  it is still the wonderful, full resolution file it always was, just with a few more edits applied.  

My overriding interest is to try out the Cloudy version of LR used on my Mac to see if I prefer it to LR Classic, which I have been using for years.
Mark a few collections as "sync" in LR/Classic.  Those collections will show up shortly in the LR/Cloudy apps as Albums.  Give it a try.  You may have to turn on syncing in Classic and supply your Adobe id and PW.

Also, what is difference between Cloudy (Lightroom Cloud) and Lightroom Mobile?
LR Mobile is the old name for what is now just "Lightroom", or as many of us call it LR/Cloudy.  However, sometimes the only refers to the phone/tablet based versions of the LR/Cloudy set of apps.  But, if you used LR/Mobile in the past, what you'll see in the Ios or Andoroid LR/Cloudy apps will be quite familiar.

Hoe that helps.

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david_clauss

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10 months ago

Seriously???

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david_clauss

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10 months ago

I mean like... 1TB is 1TB. I don’t want smart previews. What would that help me??? I don’t think LR is being developed by artists any more, probably being developed by politicians or something. Pathetic.

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carlos_cardona_4982447

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"Artists" don't develop software, coders do. But I like your politicians idea (as long as they're Democrats)! You GO Adobe (haters gonna hate).

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antoine_hlmn

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Haha :D

But phrasing aside, he's pretty right. Lr is not developed with it's users in mind anymore, but with securing revenues:

  • There is no stand-alone version anymore (elephant in the room)
  • They're focussing a lot on the cloud (I'll let you judge if it's easy to exit the ecosystem or not)
  • They're selling LR and PS together, whereas many people only need LR.
  • They're selling by year but advertise monthly fees
  • They barely fix bugs
  • They almost don't take requests into account
  • It seems they're focusing on tutorials (of customers) instead of features
  • ...

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carlos_cardona_4982447

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ALL companies try to secure revenue, or they will go out of business. But, like my wife, who works in pharma likes to say, "it's not good business to kill your clients", similarly Adobe knows that to keep going it has to make its users happy. To answer your specific points:

• I PREFER the licensing method because, wait for it, it's CHEAPER! (cheaper is good!)
• The Cloud is the KILLER feature, so you can edit wherever you are!
• If you think you don't need Photoshop, well maybe you don't, but most photographers still want it.
• That's a Marketing Dept. tactic, you can't blame the engineers for that!
• Not for lack of trying, (see quote from my wife above).
• The Adobe engineers are in this board immediately trying to help. Perhaps you haven't read that many postings?
• Tutorials are good, but the software has to work correctly. It also helps if you either are, or have, an IT guy. Most people here blame Adobe when there's a problem, completely ignoring the huge OS laying underneath LR. Often THAT'S where the problem is.

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antoine_hlmn

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Haha! I didn’t want to start a debate ;-) and of course companies have have to be profitable in order to stay alive, I have nothing against that. My point was more about them not keeping their par of the contract (staying up to date, responsive bug fixing, responding to user requests, ...) and treating their customers like crap. I think many long term LR users feel that way. Hence the OP comment about Artists and politicians.

But because I can’t resist:
  • I disagree: It might be cheaper if you buy a version each year. But many people  didn’t buy the latest version because the one they had worked fine. So they HAD to bring good releases to convince people to buy the new one. Now they could just relax and cash in. Also, if you stop paying, it stops working fully.
  • Agreed, cloud is a killer feature and one reason I’m sticking with LR. But implemented poorly with Classic. Topic beaten to death, but I won’t be switching to cloudy, it just doesn’t fit my needs.
  • Maybe, maybe not. I’m sure many people use Photoshop, but also many people who don’t. Point is, you have to pay for something you don’t need, and it sucks. (And photoshop doesn’t benefit from the cloud feature, I’d be happy with Gimp...)
  • I never blamed any engineer, I blamed management and marketing decisions
  • I know there are several engineers around, but you often get the reply: It’s not a bug, it’s a feature. Yeah... I recently came across better explanations on reddit than here (was regarding stacking on mobile)
  • Tutorials are good, but not inside the app. I was talking about the learn section in the mobile app, which makes it cumbersome, is useless to many users and clearly shows the focus shift towards smartphone users ‘instead’ of photography. I’m not saying they’re bad, i’m saying it’s not the priority right now.
By the way, those were just some examples, but I’m sure other will have other points ;-) 

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dan_hartford

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Smart Previews are usually all you need when editing on a phone or tablet and is fine for tonal adjustments, dodging/burning, cropping, etc.  About the only thing that may be compromised is checking focus but you should have done that in the camera.   Personally, I don't edit images on tiny screens even if I do have full size files as it is these usually un-calibrated devices that compromise quality more than the file size.  

And, yes, we all know that Adobe is a for profit company who's purpose is to make money.  To that end they make decisions.  Sometimes I question those decisions, but I do understand that "in general" the better they make the product, the more money they will make and trust that they understand that.  Having said that I think that at times they go down a path contrary to enticing more profit and also contrary to product improvement.  A prime example is refusing so far to deal with syncing keywords between the systems and just giving a flippant excuse with no explanation.

Yes, it would be "nice" to have an option to store full RAW files from Classic on the Cloud for those who want it (I wouldn't use it as it would not provide any improvement or value to me) but then they'd have to charge for that excess storage and that cost would probably discourage most people from using that option.

But, the bottom line is this.  If you don't think smart previews in the cloud apps is good enough you can use the "Migrate" function to move all your Original files in their original formats to the cloud and just go from there.  But, please read up on this before you take that decision as there are ramifications. 

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antoine_hlmn

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Brilliant answers Dan!

May I add: don't hesitate to search for suggestions on this forum and add your vote and comment. Requests for full res sync or 1:1 jpegs already exists :-) Even tough requests are not frequently answered, it's the only way you have for feedback.

Also, those smart previews do not weigh in your 20 Go or 1 To quota, which let you share your entire catalog. This is really nice from Adobe ! Kudos to them ! :-)
(not: videos are not synced by Classic, you have to do it manually and they DO count into your storage quota)

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