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Wed, Jul 2, 2014 10:28 AM

Camera Raw/Lightroom Classic: Fuji X-Trans Support?

Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.Ones I have personally tested are as follows: Iridient DeveloperPhoto NinjaLightZoneCapture OneApertureSilkyPixRaw TherapeeIridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.

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Adobe Administrator

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402 Points

2 y ago

Hi Everyone,

We are happy to announce the release of Lightroom Classic CC 8.2. With this release, we’ve introduced a new feature called Enhanced Details.

Photographers using cameras featuring X-Trans sensors should see an improved rendering of their Fuji raw files.

To learn more about how this new feature works check out the blog post:  https://theblog.adobe.com/enhance-details/

Cheers,
Carissa

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OMG! They did it, they actually did it! 

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Details at 100% still look pretty watercolour awful.

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228 Points

Is a real solution still being worked on? Enhance Detail is, as far as I am concerned, is not a real solution because it takes extra clicks and time for every photo. And the new files that are created take up extra space. Then I have to spend extra time deleting those files later. 

So, I just wanna know if a real solution is being worked on?

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As a Fuji X-T3 user I sympathize but the real problem is the silly sensor which is Fuji's fault. Contrary to what some "believe", all image editing software has problems with the sensor except DxO which does not even attempt to support it. 

   

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Yeah, honestly I have been thinking this too. I think Fuji is really messing up by insisting on using X-Trans sensors.

But if I say that in a forum like r/fujix or r/fujifilm people get so defensive. Some blame me for pixel peeping (I sell prints, so pixel peeping is important IMO) and some say they don’t see the issues. 

I am willing to bet most people who say they don’t see the issues have never tried a Fujifilm camera with a normal sensor. And maybe not much experience with other cameras with normal sensors.

Also, I bet Fuji knows that X-Trans is not good. Why else would they not make X-Trans sensors for their medium format cameras.

Seriously, think about it. X-Trans is supposed to be amazing, it’s why they use them in their highest end X cameras. If they truly believed that, WHY wouldn’t they make medium format X-Trans sensors?

They know it’s not good. I just wish more Fuji users also knew.

Btw, I HAVE compared X-Trans to normal. I have an X-T2 and an X-T100. The 100 gives me MUCH nicer files. And they are smaller. Smh 

I hope people start contacting Fujifilm about this. Like, go to the website, go to where you can contact them and send an email to their headquarters. Tell them you wish they would stop using X-Trans. I hope people also start doing this on social media. I’ve tried. But I’m just one person, easy to ignore. 

(Sorry, that became a rant...)

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Except for their instant cameras, Fuji imaging hasn't been profitable in the digital era. Now that digital cameras are only profitable at the professional level, which for Fuji means medium format, they have some tough decisions to make. 

 

I originally went from a Olympus OM-D E-M1 to a X-T1 and noticed that Oly images were cleaner and the gap widened as the ISO increased. 

 

So back to Oly until the X-T4 was announced without any IQ improvements (over the X-T3) so bought the X-T3. Made the decision after downloading a range of raw images that I processed in Lightroom. I was quite satisfied with the results I was able to achieve and they were superior to what I could get from my Olympus. 

 

I was still a little disappointed that DxO couldn't handle the images (as a Lightroom plug in) but have finally realized that Lightroom's implementation of U-Point is superior. Well, more accurately, I prefer it. 

 

My only concern with Lightroom Classic is how long it is going to continue to exist and be supported. Adobe has too many Lightroom products. We need a clear statement of direction with a timeline. Add  in multiple versions of full Photoshop and even Photoshop Elements; Adobe has a deep hole to dig themselves out of. 

  

Like Apple, Fuji doesn't listen to its customers so complaints are useless. Fortunately we have forums like this one where we can share useful Lightroom X-trans processing tips. 

 

BTW I plan to switch from Fuji to the Samsung S21 Ultra (or S22 depending when I can start shooting again). Because Samsung uses standard DNG as its raw format, we haven't had to wait for Lightroom to support the camera. (Well, other than the bug in either the files or Lightroom.) Voting with my wallet. 

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You're switching from a dedicated camera to phone? Not saying that is wrong or anything, it just sounds odd to me. A camera has so many advantages.

Where did you hear about how profitable their cameras are? I never heard about that.

Also, if enough people complain, I think they WOULD listen. 

If Fuji ever makes a camera with a normal sensor AND 2 card slots, I would be SO happy! Anything from an X-T300 to an X-T5 would do.

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A dedicated camera is just a smartphone without computational processing or multiple lenses or connectivity... The S21 Ultra has 4 built-in prime lenses from 13 to 240mm.  

 

My son did some comparison low light shooting with his X-T3 and an iPhone 11, handheld the iPhone won hands down. It was no contest. 

 

The computers in a modern medium to high end smartphone are a decade ahead of anything provided in any camera at any price. 

 

While you're changing lenses, I'm taking pictures. 

  

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I did not mean to challenge your choice. And its not a competition. If this is a switch that works for you then I'm happy that you get to take photos the way you want. :)

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My apologies, I did not take your comment as a challenge but rather as an observation. Will it work for me? Who knows until I try it. I've been unable to find any raw images to download and evaluate in Lightroom which is a requirement before I purchase. With the tiny sensor, I'm sure raw processing will be required for me for other than snapshots to share. I'm hoping that we'll see a raw sample library from DPreview before long. 

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Maybe there is a Samsung subreddit where you can ask politely if anyone are willing to share any raw files with you. 
Just an idea. 

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A dedicated camera is just a smartphone without computational processing or multiple lenses or connectivity

I'm sorry but that is the most stupid thing I have ever read.

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7 y ago

Some samples







Here is a great example X-T1 latest version of Lightroom vs the now discontinued Apple Aperture. too large to embed.

https://forums.adobe.com/servlet/Jive...

And an animated gif - again latest version 5.5 vs Iridient.

https://forums.adobe.com/servlet/Jive...

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456 Points

7 y ago

Hi!

I like to hang on to this Post, providing some more pics... It is two screenshots, comparing the best that Lightroom can deliver vs. the best that Aperture can deliver.

I am talking about sharpness and details. Lightroom results are absolutely embarrassing. The other ones, named in the first post, are different too, but only fractional.

Here my Screenshots. Please download for full resolution:



The Adobe Development ist very blurry and looks like painted with watercolors. I am very disappointed with lightroom.

Can we get an official statement from adobe how they think to solve this issue?

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456 Points

7 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Fujifilm X-Trans RAW Files are not useable in Lightroom nor Photoshop! Blurry and painterly images resulting..


Hello! The Rendering of Fujifilm X-Trans RAW Files is unacceptable. It s very blurry and looks like a painting, missing fine details and sharpness comparing to EVERY other Raw developer.

I am not the only one who is complaining to this.

Will Adobe take care of this issue?

And will there be an official Statement how this issue will be solved?

Is someone working on it?

Please, answer to this post in any way. I bought Lightroom, short time ago. I am heavily disappointed an cannot use Lightroom for my pictures.

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7 y ago

Also discussed here in the Lightroom Forum:

https://forums.adobe.com/message/6446...

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7 y ago

Can an admin move this to the problems section perhaps?

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590 Points

7 y ago

Well, I've been using LightRoom for more than 5 years and was satisfied until I changed my heavy DSLR stuff with small and good performing Fuji X-T1. Since I swathed to X-Trans sensor I am disappointed with how LR shows details. It is awful and terrible.
And now I am using Iridient Developer which suits my needs, but I don't have such usability as I had in LR.

Here are the samples made with my Fuji X-T1, strobe lights and processed in ID and LR 5.6, the original RAW file can be found here http://www.mediafire.com/download/9z1...




Full size jpegs can be found here
Iridient Developer http://www.mediafire.com/view/pk9c59p...
LightRoom 5.6 http://www.mediafire.com/view/gd7b3sd...

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7 y ago

1 month and not a single reply or care in the world from Adobe.

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100 Points

7 y ago

I think about to leave LR

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7 y ago

When shifting to X-T1 I start using Iridient Developer and stop using LR. If Adobe can't manage and organize the processing of X-Trans censor's images at the same quality as ordinary censors, I also quit LR and all my colleagues will do the same.

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7 y ago

Hey there! I like to Inform everybody here, that i got a request for more pictures to Research. That is Not much, but i think someone at adobe is interestet and we have his attention. I uploaded 8 more pictures to The adobe Servers, now i am waiting for Feedback.

I will get in Touch with you, when i have more news. I will use Apples Aperture as Long as i can, here i have a Stunning Image quality. But i like to have a plan B. So i am pushing adobe, improving that mess with lightroom

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Wonder why they didn't ask me, the topic creator? Or why they didn't publicly ask everyone else participating in this forum? Or even the general X-Trans community. God knows there are enough forum posts, blog posts and examples on the web.

Contacting you secretly doesn't do much for customer confidence.

Surely it would be more beneficial if they asked the wider community for examples / files / feedback and made a statement as to whether it was an issue they were willing to work on or not.

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Did you already get a feedback from Adobe in the meantime?

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100 Points

7 y ago

I'm out. $2500 worth of Fuji X-T1 and lens and I can't process the RAW files. Time to move to Capture One Pro.

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7 y ago

So, I am back for a finally comment:

I got an answer from an Adobe guy. He told me that this is a known issue with the raw converter (no news to us) and that they are working with "high Pressure" on it.

bla bla.

I had the chance to talk to a manager of fujifilm on photokina.

He told me, that fujifilm is providing all the information to adobe that they need to improve raw converting, but adobe makes nothing out of it.

Maybe they wait for the next version of lightroom, to make more money. But that is just a guess.

Fact is, adobe has all they need, but they are making nothing out of it. So i am out to. I go on work with Apples Aperture as long as i could and i wait for the new photos app for mac. this one will be free and uses the best raw converter so far, the apple one.

Capture one is ok, but the image quality is not as good as apple and the workflow is very different and not as good as with aperture.

i will quit using adobe products. the monthly plans and the poor image quality with x-trans sensors make that decision easy to me.

bye!

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7 y ago

Same here.

After some testing I've switched to Capture One Pro.
I didn't align the rendering but you can see an example on one of my own pictures below :
LR 5.5


C1 Pro 7.2.3


LR/C1 comparison 100% crop
http://reho.st/view/self/72a5ea4ab70e...

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7 y ago

Adobe -> "World Leading" Company
Iridient Developer -> One-Man-Company

Ridicolous!