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Mon, Jun 20, 2011 5:45 AM

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Lightroom/Camera Raw: Focus mask / image sharpness

Like a topographical map, except instead of showing altitude, show sharpness/in-focus-ness.Would allow one to see at a glance where the focal plane lies, and how well focused is the photo at the focal plane (and everywhere else), and what is the depth of field.PhaseOne took a whack at this in CaptureOne. I think their implementation has some weaknesses: shows focal plane, but no indication of how well focused at the plane, and gives no sense of depth of field, but is still quite useful.See http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh... for a related idea, that would go nicely with this one.If you like this idea, please remember to click the '+1' button below.

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276 Points

4 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Sharpness Measuring tool.

Sometimes I'm taking portraits with a 1/60s of a second. In order to get one sharp photo, I take a whole row of photos. Most of them are a bit blurry, so I just have to find the most sharp photo.

Now my idea:

Would it be possible to analyze all photos by their sharpness and give a value how sharp a photo is?

---> That would be the easiest way finding the most sharp photos of a series.

Very often I do have that "problem" and so I have to scrub through the photos, sometimes even getting into the 1:1 magnification. Especially annoying since Lightroom ist not the quickest software on planet earth.

Pleeeeease bring it :) Would be "future" for the library module!

Greets from southern Germany
Fionn

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37.4K Points

If the portraits were all shot using the exact same subject composition, lighting, aperture and ISO speed setting the image with the largest file size should be the sharpest. Use right-click  'Show In Finder or Explorer' to quickly check the file sizes.

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7.8K Points

Unless you are shooting against a high-frequency backdrop and the camera missed subject focus and brings that background into focus. 

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Agreed, but Fionn Großeseems to indicate the portraits are blurry due to slow shutter speed (1/60sec.). Of course that begs the question of why not shoot at a higher shutter speed? Even my 2004 Canon 300D has a 1/200 sec. flash sync speed, which would reduce blurring due to camera shake. Just a suggestion. ;>)

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If there was no ambient... I think someone mentioned implementing a blur estimator as a solution. 

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276 Points

I take sometimes photos in dark situations without a flash. So I can't go faster... Yeah, good idea with the file size, but that is just a workaround and doesn't work in every situation I guess.

I hope Adobe implements a sharpness measuring tool!

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64 Points

I wonder why wouldn't Lightroom let me see the file size right in the grid view. Or anywhere in the interface, for that matter.

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3.1K Points

4 years ago

Adobe is making so much money from the new subscription model, but seems to be giving so little back to us ... 

I've been with Lightroom from its inception, and have steadily upgraded. With the diminishing returns from each of the later newer versions, I only upgraded to v6 for its promoted speed improvements (silly me ...). I should have learnt by then, but with the speed issues from the past still lurking I was desperate.
And it didn't offer any improvement speed-wise to me.
And I had to start the subscription model to get the DeHaze functionality.

It is issues like this (as well as their slug-like speed in doing anything about the too-many-to-list long-standing poor DAM features) that really make me annoyed, as there is so much they could do to improve things (and now they certainly can't use cost as an excuse!) such as this kind of feature. I'de LOVE it.

I never use Photoshop now (even though it's part of my subscription) and instead use Affinity Photo (and the rest of the family can use it also as part of my license!). If someone comes up with as good a competitor to Lightroom, I'll jump ship ...

Unless, of course, they start giving us what we need in the Desktop version instead of just adding more ands more online/mobile phone stuff. I understand that that's really good for a lot of people, but for heavens sake, Adobe, please don't keep ignoring those of us that still want what we got into Lightroom for in the first place - we're seeing so many new features (like this) available in other software now, and LR just isn't keeping up.

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730 Points

3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Feature request: Lightroom focus mask.

It would be great if Lightroom could generate a mask based upon what's
in focus in the image. The determined amount of what's considered in focus could be
determined by a slider. For example you may have a back-lit subject
where the subject is in focus (inside the depth of field) and the background blurred, and you only
want to brighten the subject. In generating a focus mask you could
then apply say exposure or shadows to just the masked area.

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94 Points

3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic: Tool for selection/identification of unsharp Photos in LR Gall....

I NEED a Tool in LR gallery module for selection/identification of unsharp photos so I dont have to waste my time doing this in compare view all the time

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3 years ago

LR Classic now offers the ability to use the raw file's embedded preview or sidecar JPEG that are immediately available for reviewing and culling images at 1:1 view in the Library module.  This should allow you to very quickly find, flag, and rate images that have motion blur and focus plane issues. This allows quick culling of images for composition (Fit view) AND quality (1:1 view) issues all in one-step. Normally this is performed as two separate passes. There's no need to create 1:1 previews until after you have applied develop settings.

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60 Points

Great Todd, but it's not the same thing. Being able to see the sharpest area of all images in the thumbnail view would drasticaly improve the filter speed of images. That way, at a glance, you see all images, not one by one.

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I totally understand "It's not the same thing" and was only offering this as an expedient solution for culling and rating images with sharpness issues using the currently available tools. It was posted over six-years ago and still marked 'No Status.' Considering the recent LR roll-out changes I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to be implemented. Peace
 

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112 Points

3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled focus mask feature within CApture One needs to be implemented within Lightroom.

I downloaded a trial of Capture One Pro to have a look and found this great feature called "Focus Mask"
Issentially images are brought into Capture One, lets say 80 portrait images which you are trying to get down to the best ones.
The "Focus Mask" feature allows an overlay in say yellow to highlite the parts of the image that are in focus great say for portraits when you can see that maybe one eye is NOT in focus at this point you can mark the image as a delete.

link to the feature

https://blog.phaseone.com/find-the-best-focused-images-in-no-time/

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3 years ago

When I was looking at capture1 as an alternative to lr ( due to performance) the focus mask was a great new tool. Loved it. They also have a "fill mask" feature.. you outline the mask and then do an area fill .

Example..u use spitcadjustmentvwith Autodesk and work around the subject's edges. Once done u then want the outline filled.

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3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Sharpness assessment tool.

It would be very useful to select the sharpest image out of a selection.

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244 Points

a year ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Focus Detection.

It feels like new features are getting fewer and further between, but I have a request that is unlike anything out there which - for me at least - would be a big boon to productivity, and that is:

 Focus Detection

Photoshop is already able to figure out on its own what the subject is in an image.  Pull that capability over into Lightroom.  Now with a little more tweaking to the AI have it check to see if the image is in focus and have some kind of indicator as to how "in focus" (or out of focus) an image is.

As a wedding photographer I spend a LOT of time culling images (probably more time culling than editing, sadly enough).  For me focus matters a lot.  And without zooming in 100% it's hard to compare two images to figure out which one has better focus.  And at smaller sizes (where you can see the full image) and even worse, in Survey Mode with multiple images on screen (which I use a lot to compare images) it's next to impossible to determine that an image is less than ideal.

So.... easy win:  After import, have LR flag every image that obviously has nothing in focus.  I could quickly delete all of those images without a second thought.

Next level help:  Have LR determine which images appear to have a subject in focus and have some way of indicating that it thinks the focus is less than ideal.

Going for the gusto:  In Survey mode, being able to hit a button (if necessary) to have LR automatically determine which of the images currently being displayed has the best focus.

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Going for the gusto:  In Survey mode, being able to hit a button (if necessary) to have LR automatically determine which of the images currently being displayed has the best focus.

That's the feature I'm hoping the most for: picking the sharpest image out of a selection or stack. I think this would be huge for portrait photographers. AI could easily detect the eye as the camera does (+ AF info is in the raw file).

I shoot wildlife and often come come home with tons of burts. Having some help for sorting the images based on sharpness would be very helpful. I've also suggested to stack the images based on the camera's burst information. Still waiting :/

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82 Points

a year ago

The Focus Mask plugin from Capture Monkey works great, but is stopped (at least on Mac) at Mojave since it is a 32-bit plugin compiled in Lua.  It would be wonderful if the developer (in Finland) could update the plugin to 64 bit so it would run on current operating systems.  I still have one machine running Mojave so I can keep using it on that machine.  It shouldn't be that hard if Adobe had the will.  Focus Masking is integral to Capture One and On1 RAW, but each require an exit from Lightroom or PS to see masking.  Not a great solution.  It would be far better if it were integral to Lightroom Classic 9 and Photoshop, especially with all the AI running around.

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60 Points

2 months ago

Try FastRawViewer software, it has focus peaking and details highlights.