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6.2K Points

Fri, Apr 1, 2011 7:54 PM

Under consideration

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Lightroom and Camera Raw: More Photoshop like clone/healing/content aware brushes

More Photoshop like clone/healing brushes in Lightroom!
I love retouching in Photoshop, especially with the content aware fill with the healing tool, but Lightrooms tools are clunky. I don't know if there are technical limitations to implementing tools like Photoshop's in Lightroom but it would be GREAT!
I would rather be able to get a baseline retouched image in Lightroom than having to edit in Photoshop and then come back to Lightroom. I would rather just use Photoshop for image alterations.

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322 Messages

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7.5K Points

10 years ago

I'm all for any improvements that could be offered in this area as well ... the more I can do in Lr natively ... the better ...

513 Messages

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11.1K Points

10 years ago

Yes, yes, yes.

That is the most urgent upgrade wishlist item for LR. If LR wants to be an 80/20 application then it needs to improve support for retouching. Abusing the spot removal tool only goes so far.

Yes, there is some integration between LR and other editing programs (in particular with PS and smart objects), but being forced to use two applications instead of one is suboptimal. Here's why:

1. I don't want to pay for PS. It may be worth it for graphic designers and professionals but to an amateur enthusiast the price tag is way too high for what I need from it.
2. I don't want the destructive editing paradigm. I know I can use (adjustment) layers, etc. but LR's solutions for making later tweaks to editing operations works better for me so why should I adopt the PS way when I don't need it for my editing requirements?
3. I don't want to run LR & PS in parallel on my machine. One of them on their own is sufficiently resource hungry.
4. I don't want the workflow that creates two versions of an image; one pre-edited in LR to be imported by PS and another exported by PS with potential post-edits in LR. There is no seamless editing history in one place anymore.

The last bullet (4.) is the most important one for me. I feel that anything else but integrated editing is a workaround with disadvantages.

9 Messages

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188 Points

Very well stated. My poor computer struggles under LR by itself, and the more healing brush points I add, the worse the performance gets. Having to open a second application reduces performance even more since both applications must be open in order for the edited photo to be re-imported back to LR. Additionally, making external edits renders the "Paste Settings from Previous" feature useless since the external edits are not captured in the LR edit history.

513 Messages

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11.1K Points

10 years ago

BTW, there are no technical barriers. Of course an efficient implementation is a challenge but the guys that pulled off lens corrections (with its required warping of brush strokes and spot removal applications) can do this as well.

4.5K Messages

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76.3K Points

No doubt.

4.5K Messages

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76.3K Points

10 years ago

Up near the top of my wish list for Lr4 too.

Champion

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28 Messages

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532 Points

Rob,

A word of advice I was given a long time back by an Adobe insider - be selective about which features you openly pick as your favourites. Same insider once asked a group of us to identify 10 features that we would most want to have in Camera Raw (before Lr came into being). I think we ended up with around 15 to 20 unique features. All have been implemented, but it took 4 or 5 years and 3 versions to get there. Anyway, as things stand, "you" have dozens, if not hundreds in the UtoU feature request list. Now you're at the same thing here. Every time you add a "me too" you risk diluting the importance of others. Remember, there's a finite amount of engineering time.

Ask yourself - If I could only submit 10 feature requests, what would they be? Rank them in order of importance. Explain why they're important, how you see them working, etc.

So, be smart. If you've nothing useful to add just hit the "I like this idea!' button and move on. The count goes up, and that's all that really matters.

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76.3K Points

10 years ago

Thanks for the tip Ian - I'll keep it in mind.

Champion

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29 Messages

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1.3K Points

10 years ago

I'm all for content aware in Lightroom.. and for non circular healing and cloning!

513 Messages

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11.1K Points

Thanks for supporting this, Sean.

AFAIC, it makes sense to distinguish between "spot healing" (no source required) and "source/destination healing" (PS' healing brush) and having both retouching operations would be ideal.

But what is the difference between "patching" and "source/destination healing"? PS has two different tools for this so there should be a difference. I'm not a PS user but what I gather from information available on the net, I reckon the only difference is how you make a selection. With a healing brush one "paints" the selection and with a patch tool one draws the outline of the selection. Is that correct?

If so, and if patching were supported then it would make sense to allow the "patch selection style" for other adjustments (as addressed by the adjustment brush) as well.

946 Messages

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13.8K Points

Both use a source, it's just that one (spot) sets the source automatically and one (brush) forces you to set it manually. Both essentially paint the "area", not the outline, though the spot tool only shows the outline while you are still painting.

Well, that's for Elements, anyway, as I don't have CS.

9 Messages

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188 Points

I would gladly pay MORE for LR with content-aware fill and a good clone/stamp tool than have to open up TWO applications.

I have Elements, but when you run it, it's a CPU hog. It always launches a sub-process that scours my HDD looking for faces in photos to tag. I don't need that feature but my poor CPU and HDD are busily chewing up resources when all I want to do is make a minor fix.

946 Messages

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13.8K Points

"It always launches a sub-process that scours my HDD looking for faces in photos to tag."

Just launch the editor, and not the organizer.

9 Messages

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188 Points

10 years ago

With the LR spot-healing tool, is there REALLY a difference between the Clone and Heal options?? I've tried both, and they both seem to do the exact same thing. It appears to me that this is just a spot-CLONE tool in that it copies over whatever is inside it's sample circle verbatim. I can't see any "healing" at all.

Also, you can't mix modes on the retouch. Whatever the selection between clone/heal is, is applied to ALL spot healing points on the photo, not just the one selected.

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13.8K Points

"With the LR spot-healing tool, is there REALLY a difference between the Clone and Heal options??" Yes.

"Whatever the selection between clone/heal is, is applied to ALL spot healing points on the photo, not just the one selected. " Not true at all.

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188 Points

I'd like to see some examples. I can't tell a difference.

946 Messages

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13.8K Points

One heals, one clones, one has a soft feather, one has a harder edge.

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142 Points

10 years ago

I would really like to see a clone/stamp tool in LR. That circle brush for spot healing just doesn't cut it when it comes to needing to do blend edits on a photograph.
Let me pick a source spot on the photo and then "paint" with the healing brush while it samples the source location. This feature is in your other products, let it be in Lightroom too!

Thank you.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: Clone/Stamp tool - Let me pick a source spot on the photo and then "paint" with the healing brush while it samples the source location.

9 Messages

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188 Points

Hmm.. I seem to have two profiles now...

23 Messages

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6.2K Points

I want Lightroom to have exactly what Photoshop has.
In Photoshop I use both Healing with Content Aware Fill on and Clone Stamp tool depending on what I need. Usually use Healing and if I can't get the correct results with that I go to Clone Stamp and adjust to get what I need manually.

24 Messages

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4.4K Points

10 years ago

This is a no-brainer

513 Messages

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11.1K Points

10 years ago

Keeping my fingers crossed this will receive "Under Consideration" status....

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102 Points

10 years ago

Adding layers and / or adding a brush action to spot removal would make develop even more user friendly.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom/Camera Raw: Additions to Spot Removal Tool.

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76.3K Points

I like the idea of being able to brush in or out any adjustment we might choose to make, including dust spot removal, although if the distraction removal tool is changed to be handled as a brush instead of a circle, then its maybe not so necessary, although I can still imagine it... (e.g. brushing opacity changes after the distraction removal stroke has been layed down)..

513 Messages

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11.1K Points

Maybe we don't need an additional "layers" concept if we could have the option of looking at either a chronological history (i.e., what is currently implemented) or an "essential history". Have a look at an example for such an essential history which is basically a list of logically grouped edit actions.

Layers would go beyond that in that one could adjust, say the exposure of both a brush stroke set and a graduate filter in a synchronised fashion, but I'm not sure this is really needed all that often. If there really is a large support for layers, however, I still think they would gel well with something along the lines of an essential edit history.

513 Messages

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11.1K Points

10 years ago

Maybe we don't need an additional "layers" concept if we could have the option of looking at either a chronological history (i.e., what is currently implemented) or an "essential history". Have a look at an example for such an essential history which is basically a list of logically grouped edit actions.

Layers would go beyond that in that one could adjust, say the exposure of both a brush stroke set and a graduate filter in a synchronised fashion, but I'm not sure this is really needed all that often. If there really is big support for layers, however, I still think they would gel well with something along the lines of an essential edit history.

23 Messages

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6.2K Points

10 years ago

So why is this not Under Consideration yet?
Is it either technically impossible or technically difficult? If neither of those then it should be under consideration.

23 Messages

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6.2K Points

10 years ago

Just so you readers from Adobe know this idea is in no way meant to replace Photoshop! I just want to get the image to the base starting point to use it in Lightroom. Like clean dust etc, skin blemishes and fill background area where there wasn't background paper on the edges and things like that.

There's no way that I could do without Photoshop.

4.5K Messages

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76.3K Points

10 years ago

This is the single most popular request for Lightroom on this forum (other than new camera support). It is totally doable, no doubt. If not done in Lr4, I wouldn't know what else to conclude except that since its already in Photoshop, it wasn't deemed necessary in Lightroom.

Sure do hope this gets done, or at a minimum Lightroom is modified to allow 3rd party imaging plugins that could do it, or integration with 3rd party editing apps is made more seamless, so they could do it without the photo forking.