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Wed, Jun 1, 2016 6:29 PM

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Camera Raw/Lightroom: Lens Profile Requests and Information?

When will my Lens profile be available?

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259 Messages

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6.1K Points

2 months ago

I wasn't aware of this post before but I'll repeat what I wrote in another thread:

In my experience if you take the exact same file into Nikon's Capture NX software, it fully corrects the vignette. The vignette description in the file is just fine and Nikon did a good job measuring it, Adobe just undercorrects for it. I had a long discussion on the support forums where it became very clear that Adobe just doesn't use the vignette information the same way as Nikon does, leading to uncorrected vignette in Lightroom/ACR. Also in Nikon's software, you can easily turn on and off the geometry and vignette corrections, or regulate the amount of correction applied. You can't do that in Lightroom. You simply cannot turn off the corrections using the built-in profile. It applies it NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO! They don't turn off if you disable the entire lens correction panel and there is no setting to get rid of them. All you can do is to hack the NEF file to delete the profile. Also, if for example, you turn off the corrections in camera, Lightroom ignores this setting and still applies the corrections but capture NX doesn't. The built-in profiles should simply be treated in the same way as Adobe profiles. You should be able to turn them off and on and use the sliders to regulate how much correction is applied. I like them completely turned off as the geometric correction leads to loss of sharpness in my ultra wide angle images in the corners and I like the natural vignette of my lenses. I just don't want any automatic lens corrections applied! Others have noted that the vignette correction in Lightroom is not as good as Nikon's and it is hard to fix with the tools in Lightroom. 

Steffen70

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626 Points

Thanks for clarifying the many misunderstandings surrounding the treatment of z lens images by LR.

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97.5K Points

a month ago

Some readers here may be unaware of a change in LR 9.4:

"[Disabling built-in lens profiles] has been implemented for select camera models going forward from the August release (Camera Raw 12.4, Lightroom Classic 9.4 and LIghtroom Desktop 3.4).  There are no plans to make this retroactive to previously released camera models."

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/camera-rawlightroom-classiclightroom-ecosystem-disable-builtin-lens-profile/5f5f45dd4b561a3d4263e0a2 

This does not help those with existing cameras, of course

Steffen70

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626 Points

@John_R_Ellis Yes, thanks. I was aware of this. The thing is that an Adobe person on this forum (with whom i had been in touch since early 2019 re this issue and who asked me at several occasions to submit sample images) had repeatedly confirmed that "the Camera Raw team is continuing their work on this issue. I have no ETA I can provide at this time. " This was in early March 2020, soon a year ago. I'm happy to be used as a beta tester...

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In my communications with Thom Hogan about this "issue" Thom notes that the problem is not in reading the profile, but in the math and formula used to demosaic the raw images.  Nikon and Adobe appear to use different formulae, which is why the color/hue and lens corrections are different between the different pieces of software.  DXO does its own correction and completely ignores any of the built-in profiles.  I find that they are closer to the Nikon intent than Adobe.  This problem is really shared by Adobe and Nikon; on the one hand Nikon hands Adobe the profile code, but doesn't permit them to see their algorithm for interpreting it.  Adobe has to make decisions about how to resolve the information Nikon is presenting it.  Worse, since ACR/LR are moving targets until they finally stabilize the lens profiles and interpretations, you are, unfortunately, screaming into a tunnel with both vendors.

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97.5K Points

""the Camera Raw team is continuing their work on this issue. I have no ETA I can provide at this time. " This was in early March 2020"

LR 9.4 was released in August 2020, and the change allowing lens profiles to be disabled in cameras going forward appears to be the conclusion of that work. My speculation about why the change wasn't retroactive to older cameras:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/camera-rawlightroom-classiclightroom-ecosystem-disable-builtin-lens-profile/5f5f45dd4b561a3d4263e0a2?commentId=5f5f49714b561a3d4265d53a&replyId=5f5f4c104b561a3d421f4b77 

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Steffen70

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626 Points

Hi John, thanks. This citation was actually taken from late November (but a similar statement was also indeed made in early March).

Steffen70

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626 Points

@Marc, this sounds indeed complex. But wouldn't that be an additional rationale to let users disable the automatic and suboptimal application of the built-in lens profile (as also pointed out be Jao)? There was also Andrew who suggested to remove the built-in profile with yet another software - if Andrew could do it wouldn't that suggest that the built-in profile could also relatively easily be removed by Adobe and be replaced by their own high quality lens correction profile as Adobe historically did for all other Nikon glasses? What is the key difference between let's say a D750 file (DSLR, ok that's already a difference) or a Coolpix A (a mirrorless camera which produces stunning image quality and is also matched by a high quality lens correction profile in LR Classic)?

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112 Points

a month ago

Going through a lot of these posts it finally occurred to me to download the NX-D software and see what a proper lens profile correction should look like when shooting with the Nikkor 120-300mm F.2.8

The vignette is not horrible but noticeable, and the pincushion effect (I think that is what it is called) is not terrible either. But side by side with an uncorrected copy it is noticeable.  

I think the solution might just be to shoot a grid and make my own lens profile after all. Irritating because Adobe works fine with every other one of my lenses. Just not my most expensive lens.

Steffen70

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626 Points

@stevengotz the thing is that the lens correction profile creator has not been updated for years and would not run on most newer Macs... (likewise, the software for sharing user created lens profiles was also removed a few years ago - looks like Adobe rather wants to create profiles itself...)

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112 Points

@Steffen70 

Yes, but if I compare the files between Lightroom and Nikon NX-D I can use the manual adjustment in Lightroom to get the two to match as closely as possible. Then I can simply create a preset that just has the Lens Calibration in it. 

It won't be automatic, but even though Lightroom doesn't have a lens profile for it, it still knows the name of the lens in the matadata so I can search the metadata for the lens and apply the manual preset.


Steffen70

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626 Points

@stevengotz 

Yes, i did this too but didn't save it. It's not perfect because whatever is done manually is on top of the partially implemented built-in lens correction. In fact, it produces in some pretty artificially looking results (but yes, better than nothing). I would need separate profiles (to take the 24-70 f4 as an example) for 24 mm f4, 24 mm f5, 24 mm f5.6 etc etc etc...

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9.6K Points

Not really because you are correcting a correction. I've experimented with that technique for a Nikon D300S, Olympus OM-D E-M1, Fuji X-T1 and X-T3 and the results were worse than leaving them alone. 

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112 Points

There is no correction being done at all. And the manual setting does get saved in the profile.

While it may be true that different apertures require different corrections (I haven't tested that) I usually use my 120-300mm at f/2.8 because I bought it to shoot through fencing at a zoo.

Another solution, I suppose, might be to correct it in NX-D and then save it out as a TIF and use that in Lightroom/Photoshop to edit my photos. I will check to make sure it works like that. It must, but I will check.

Champion

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28.5K Points

300mm at f2.8? Isn't that about 1" depth of field?

Steffen70

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626 Points

@stevengotz 

Yes, in case of the 24-70 f4 it would require different adjustments for different lengths and apertures. I also quickly played with the NX-D option but unfortunately, it doesn’t save DNG files (that would have been great i suppose) and it also keeps crashing frequently, nothing for the typical 1000 or so images after a day of shooting... ;-)

Still waiting for Adobe to deliver a customer friendly solution.

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808 Messages

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9.6K Points

a month ago

The issues discussed here are not unique to Nikon images. The same problem exists for Fuji and Olympus cameras and lenses. 

 

As a Fuji user, I'm stuck for now (can't use DxO for initial corrections). Of course if I wasn't so lazy, I'd download Adobe's free lens profile creation tool and create my own profile.

 

Steffen70

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626 Points

@bill_3305731 that is true (i also used an OM-D and a X100S in the past).

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62 Points

a month ago

how do I STOP getting notifications for this thread??? you people are going crazy my entire inbox is filled with this crap! ciao

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22.8K Points

@Henry Moore Try the 'Unfollow' button at the top. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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92 Points

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I just unfollowed this too. I'm sure you're all very interested in your Nikon lens profiles, but I'm also sick of seeing my email inbox filled up with posts about lenses I have no interest in. I can't even remember why I visited this thread in the first place, and I'm sure I didn't really mean to follow it. Happy Holidays!

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80 Points

a month ago

Gopro Hero 8 Black lens profile. And also the ability to import .gpr (Raw) files into Lighroom Mobile (android)! One year waiting. Please

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62 Points

a month ago

Please add lens profile for Samyang AF 35mm 1.8. Thank you!

47 Messages

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770 Points

a month ago

I just sifted through the list of supported phone cameras and could not find the SLR Magic 25 MM. Now granted it's not a phone camera, it's a camera lens. There is one supported lens, the 50 MM. Will the rest of the SLR Magic catalog eventually be supported?

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Lightroom Classic: Supported Lenses / SLR Magic 25 MM

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70 Points

a month ago

Please add Leica Vario-Elmar-T 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 ASPH Lens to Lightroom

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Please add Leica Vario-Elmar-T 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 ASPH Lens to Lightroom

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70 Points

21 days ago

I own the 24-70 & 70-200mm Lumix S Pro lenses (f2.8). Neither are supported under Lens Corrections. 

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled No Lumix S Pro lens support

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9.6K Points

@Brian Carlson 

All Mirrorless cameras include lens profiles IN the RAW file.

If that is not the case with the 2 lenses you are asking about Contact Panasonic for an update to your cameras firmware which should include the profiles for those 2 lenses.

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60 Points

21 days ago

I would love to see a Profile in Camera Raw for a Nikon D850 and a Nikkor AFS 200-500mm 5.6f ED lens. Lightroom offers it, why not Camera Raw? This is a very popular lens among birders and other nature photographers. Thank you.

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122 Points

18 days ago

I’d love to see the Adobe Lens Profile Creator ported to recent macOS versions. I currently use Sony FE lenses on Nikon Z cameras with a TZE-01 adapter. I don’t expect Adobe to officially support such contraption, but it would be nice to be able to tinker with homebuilt profiles. I guess I could use the Windows version of Adobe’s tool in a virtual machine or on a PC, but it’d be a lot faster and simpler if I could do it all on my Mac.

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As long as there is a lens profile for your Sony FE lens, you can use that profile also on another camera brand with an adapter. I use Canon lenses on a Sony A7R III camera with a Metabones adapter. Set this as a new profile default and Lightroom Classic/ACR will even automatically apply the lens profile.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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122 Points

@JohanElzenga I tried this but I am not getting the same results between a Sony and a Nikon body.

I suspect it has to do with built-in corrections and the way Lr decodes them in Sony and Nikon files. SLR lenses weren't designed with software corrections in mind. In this case the Lr profile takes care of all the corrections which is why it should work equally well, irrespective of the body and the adapter. 

With the FE lens on a Sony body, the built-in+Adobe lens corrections get me an essentially distorsion-free result. The Adobe profile obviously takes account of the baked-in corrections and is only a fine-tuning profile.

When I shoot the same FE lens on a Z body, Lr indicates that it found a built-correction but the image does not seem to be corrected enough (or at all). Applying the Adobe lens profile reduces the distortion but only a little.

My hope is that by profiling the lens using files shot with a Nikon Z, I can correct the full distortion. 

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556 Points

2 days ago

For my older Google Pixel phone there were lens profiles available.

For my new Google Pixel 5 there is DNG/RAW support but there are no lens profiles available.

Are there any plans to add these?

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Lens profile for Google Pixel 5