Camera Raw/Lightroom Classic: Support for .CR3 Camera-matching Profiles

Several people that I spoke with at Adobe support.

"Note: Not all cameras will ever receive a set of Camera Matching profiles.”

1. Create and edit your own profiles using the free software that is available.
2. Shoot JPEGs. They you'll get the exact proprietary rendering from the machine called a camera. 
3. Make edits in the Calibration pane and elsewhere, name a preset "1Dx Vivid" or whatever you want. 

Color Fidelity has released the M6 MkII profiles (which are the ones I needed), and they work beautifully. 
I did a few tests taking both JPGs and RAWs and they give the closest 'look' to what Canon intended (vs Adobe and another 3rd party I tried). 

Totally worth the $15/camera profiles

Thanks for this post.  I gave up on Adobe supporting the 1DX3 color profile and the Adobe basic profiles are terrible for this particular camera.  I spent the $15 and downloaded the color fidelity profiles.  The CF Standard V3 profile that is included in their package seems pretty accurate and using it has greatly improved my workflow and decreased image editing time trying to color match.  Thanks again... maybe someday we will a camera standard matching profile through Adobe.... but I won't hold my breath.  

Just how accurate are they? I'd prefer an average dE using dE 2000 formula if possible. 

Camera Matching Profiles: 

Support for a particular flavor of a camera’s raw file does not necessarily mean that there will be Camera Matching profiles for that camera at the time of raw file support.  It is normal for Camera Matching profiles to follow raw support by one or two releases. In the case of some camera manufacturers or the event of major changes by a particular manufacturer, that time may be greatly increased. 

Note: Not all cameras will ever receive a set of Camera Matching profiles. 

Why conversations get merged: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/lightroom-classic/lightroom-auto-import-to-folders-organized-by-date/5f5f44f14b561a3d422ab0ba?commentId=5f5f48984b561a3d422bdf45 

A number of people in the merged conversation have reported they like the third-party profiles from Color Fidelity ($15):

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/camera-rawlightroom-classic-support-for-cr3-cameramatching-profiles/5f5f46284b561a3d4276dc71?commentId=5f5f49704b561a3d42658a37 

I agree 100%. This is something that Adobe always delivered for previous cameras. One of the biggest reasons I subscribed. The Camera Standard profile was just great. But not anymore. No more Camera Matching profiles for new Canon cameras (after the EOS R). To me this is worse than if Adobe removed the highlight slider. But another arrogant replier (that does not seem to be from Adobe) would just answer: "What's your problem; You have the shadow slider. Use that instead. Or make your own slider". Man that is not helping. At all. So maybe we can have a real answer now. From Adobe this time, I hope.

@NarratusMedia Well you could do the same. By creating your own DCP profiles (software free) and/or editing existing profiles (again, with free software). 

Everything you thought you wanted to know about DNG/DCP camera profiles:
All about In this 30 minute video, we will look into the creation and use of DNG (.dcp) camera profiles in three raw converters. The video covers:
What are DNG camera profiles, how do they differ from ICC camera profiles.
Misconceptions about DNG camera profiles.
Just when, and why do you need to build custom DNG camera profiles?
How to build custom DNG camera profiles using the X-rite Passport software.
The role of various illuminants on camera sensors and DNG camera profiles.
Dual Illuminant DNG camera profiles.
Examples of usage of DNG camera profiles in Lightroom, ACR, and Iridient Developer.
Low Rez (YouTube):
http://youtu.be/_fikTm8XIt4
High Rez (download):
http://www.digitaldog.net/files/DNG%20Camera%20profile%20video.mov

sure, but I'm paying monthly for software so i don't have to do that

i am trying to find out if adobe is going to add it or not

That's like suggesting that because you pay for a monthly subscription, Adobe should also provide output profiles for your printers. Nope. You have Adobe Standard. You want other profiles. Buy them if you must, create them yourself for free. Your choice. 

Oh, you can stop subscription anytime too. I don't see how throwing out the baby with the bathwater is useful but of course you can do so. 

i am trying to find out if adobe is going to add it or not

Currently, not. 

sorry, Im not a trainer, or tech, just trying to get back the function that the product had before the camera upgrade, but at least your there to defend adobe. thanks for the info , hopefully someone will  answer the original question.

sorry, Im not a trainer, or tech, just trying to get back the function that the product had before the camera upgrade

You upgraded a camera, nothing changed otherwise with LR. 

, but at least your there to defend adobe

No, I'm providing you the facts and a fix you apparently can't produce. Fine. 

Adobe may provide camera matching profiles in the future, maybe means maybe, and if Canon made it easier (didn't hide some information in their proprietary raws with newer CR versions), Adobe might have an easier time as they did in the past. You asked a question, you got a factual answer. So did the OP. 

well if your factual answer gives a solution to me then maby you should send it to adobe, if its that easy then they have even less of a reason to not supply the function to the customers asking for it

Adobe DID provide a factual answer, it was pasted here 2 months ago. Since some haven't found it, I'll paste it again (2nd time today):

https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/what-does-camera-support-mean/5f5f46244b561a3d4275ca34

” Support for a particular flavor of a camera’s raw file does not necessarily mean that there will be Camera Matching profiles for that camera at the time of raw file support. It is normal for Camera Matching profiles to follow raw support by one or two releases. In the case of some camera manufacturers or the event of major changes by a particular manufacturer, that time may be greatly increased. 

Note: Not all cameras will ever receive a set of Camera Matching profiles. ”

The last sentence is key to read and accept. This may change, it may not. 

In the meantime you can work towards your own solution of complain. The former takes less time than the later actually. 

“If you spend five minutes complaining, you have just wasted five minutes.” Anonymous

ooo now we have quotes from anonymous, this is getting fun

ooo now we have quotes from anonymous, this is getting fun

Nope:

not to antagonize too much, but the biggest question is when and if , the vague response adobe is giving should be clarified.,  

In all seriousness i do appreciate you info, i will look at it further if I have time,, I spend more time behind the camera than at the desk. 

There was clarification in the URL provided from Adobe. 

You will need to spend a minute or two behind the camera to create your own DCP camera profiles but it is time well spent. Maybe some time editing them to match a JPEG (questionable if that's even necessary, rendering controls as outlined above, saved as a Preset can probably provide a subjective acceptance of a 'match' which no one anywhere ever guaranteed would produce a match in all cases). 

ok, I'll stop here, your not getting were i am coming from and that's fine, you can release me back into the wild. 

nice thread. 

- I paid the $15 to ColorFidelity for the M6mkII profiles.  I didn't want to spend time creating my own DCP, but I do want to easily get a BASELINE on RAW that looks close to what Canon JPG is.
Although not imposible by any means, I don't think creating a good profile is 5 minutes, and if it were, Adobe could've done it already

- I know I can use Canon's DPP to get an exact match. But I actually enjoy doing all my photo processing in LR. 

- I don't DEMAND Adobe to get these camera matching profiles out. It would be nice, that's all. Again, because I actually enjoy doing 100% of my processing in LR. 

- In other words, Adobe Product Managers, I think there's some need for these profiles..

Creating a profile is about 5 minutes to produce after shooting a target. 

I never said nor suggested editing any profile to mimic a JPEG would take 5 minutes. Might, probably not. Absolutely doable either with the free DNG camera profile editor OR using the Calibration Pane and other sliders then produce a preset. Does it or will it match ALL JPEGs? Doubtful nor can Adobe or anyone else guarantee such profiles or presets will always do so.

I do want to easily get a BASELINE on RAW that looks close 

The key word is close.  

does adobe ever post in here?

Yes; as the URL I provided with the post from Adobe illustrates. 

Anyone can make or edit a DCP camera profile. You simply need the software to do so, at least two companies (Adobe and X-rite) have free products to do so. 

take a break andrew lets hear from someone else,  

Someone else did answer: John Ellis below. 

 it's very unlikely that you'll get a timeline from Adobe 

I read Rikk but its a vague "we aren't going to answer answer and then there is andrew_rodney who must sit next to Rikk but Ill keep asking hope there will be a real answer soon instead of the not going to answer that answers................

Using a profile now from conlorfidelity but its not the same and tried using my color chart from Xrite, but it not the same, it has been said it only take a few minutes in this thread multiple times but if so then adobe could do it better than me.

Nothing at all vague. You didn't hear an answer you want to hear, oh well. 

Those who know when (because they either work for Adobe or are under NDA) can't say. Those who are not might tell you something you want to hear that's not accurate. 

Rikk provided the facts directly from inside Adobe, it's a real answer. You can accept or ignore the actual answer; it's not going to make the profiles appear for you. 

ok, I'll stop here, your not getting were i am coming from and that's fine, you can release me back into the wild. 

Released <g>

thank you again for another riveting response Andrew

thank you again for another riveting response Andrew

OK, since you must have an answer (date) accurate or made up, the profiles you desire will be released on February 29. <g>. 

lol love it! andrew_rodney your the greatest!

my apologies daniel_nikhoo_683pb7az4x0q2, 

ill wait a day or so and ask the same question again and we can start over

Albert Einstein- "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different result”