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Wed, Feb 19, 2020 1:10 AM

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Camera Raw/Lightroom Classic: Support for .CR3 Camera-matching Profiles

There is currently zero support for .CR3 camera color profiles in Lightroom... especially since the newer Canon cameras use a .CR3 format... making it difficult to get work done. Only slightly surprised that this wasnt planned for beforehand since there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS.

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326 Points

3 months ago

help adobe get newer canons to have profiles through petitioning the mfg or what ever would help, specifically the pro bodies like the r5, etc

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled canon profiles

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specifically the pro bodies like the r5, etc

Specifically the Canon EOS R5? 

What profiles are missing below? 

EOS R5 picture styles:

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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326 Points

Get a life man LOL I should preface  my post with please if anyone other than Andrew has something to say :-)

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help adobe get newer canons to have profiles through petitioning the mfg or what ever would help, specifically the pro bodies like the r5, etc

So those are not the profiles you want for a EOS R5???

Which EOS R5 profiles are you looking for????

What r5, etc are you specifically ASKING (again) for????

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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130 Points

Holy shit... I didn't think I had to say it again. If you insist on being a petulant fucking asshole and arguing based on the fact that the "Camera Standard, Camera Neutral etc" profiles are not labeled letter for letter in camera when they clearly are in Lightroom, do so fucking elsewhere. 

You're making it irritating for other people who actually use this as a resource for new information and tips on how to better use the programs just so you can stroke your internet ego. Keyboard warrior somewhere else.

Thanks, OP.

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60 Points

The Adobe profiles are not the same as the Canon profiles. Similar names, vastly different looks. If there are camera specific profiles they're listed under Camera Matching. These are the available profiles for the Canon 5DSR. Hopefully someday, the Canon R5 will also have they're on Camera Matching profiles. Someday. 

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3 months ago

Here are Color Camera Matching profiles for an EOS R5 (my sample raw):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mdvsca2byfrpc2c/EOSR5DCPs.zip?dl=0

And example of color matching between DPP and LR with one DCP profile and the original raw, DPP is set for a Neutral Picture Style


Process:

Get good capture of MacBeth ColorChecker and if desired other colored items in shot. Example provided earlier.

Create custom DCP profile as base for all others. 

Download DPP and open the raw, select a Color Matching option from dropdown. 

Open raw converted to DNG in DNG Profile Editor, load custom profile. 

Using as many of the 24 patches as you feel necessary, make selective edits to visually match DPP, if necessary, a global curve may be necessary. 

Save (Export) edited custom profile with name for Camera Matching Profile. 

Don't expect a prefect match*, but you (well I) can get darn close. Couple minutes per profile editing depending no your skills. 

PLUS you end up with a custom DCP profile with no edits for that illuminant. 

All software is free

YMMV. If your sample of EOS R5 is sensor behavior is close to the one I used here, you'll get close result to mine. But there is a reason some of us always make custom DCP profiles for our cameras instead of using the 'canned' DCP profiles from Adobe. 

*"Have no fear of perfection-you'll never reach it."  -Salvador Dali

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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70 Points

2 months ago

Pretty pretty please!

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Lightroom Classic: Please give us canon R5 camera matching profilesQ

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82 Points

Yes totally agree! Please give us camera matching profiles for the r5 and r6!! Please please!  

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82 Points

2 months ago

Hello! When can we expect camera matching profiles for the Canon EOS R5 and R6 to be available? Thanks! 

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Camera matching profiles for Canon Eos R5 and R6

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62 Points

2 months ago

+1 requesting CR3 Camera Matching profiles in Lightroom, specifically for the Canon R6.  CR3 has been out for more than two years (Canon R released October 2018).  It's hard to believe that the CR3 format is that hard to figure out. 

Please, Adobe and Canon, work this out. 

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@rob_pennoyer 

It's hard to believe that the CR3 format is that hard to figure out. 

How many proprietary camera raw formats have you decoded?

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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Oh joy... Andrew is at it again. Must be a really slow evening...

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Must be a really slow evening...


For you, seems so. And unlike you, no struggle for me making those camera matching profiles. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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Oh, I got it sorted out ;). You've been a dismal help. Please go stroke your internet ego elsewhere. 

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70 Points

a month ago

Canon's newer cameras that use CR3 raw format has no "Camera Matching" color profiles available within Lightroom. It makes it very very difficult to work with files at the same time that came from different Canon cameras. Files from my newer cameras that use CR3 format (Canon M50 and R6) behave completely different in Lightroom from the files of my older cameras (1DX, 5D III, 6D). Matching the raw parameters when these older and newer cameras used side by side parallel is a pain.

There is almost perfect transparency when when editing their files in Lihtroom when  i use my older cameras parallel among each other (2 cameras with different lenses on a sport event and the third is a remote camera). But when i try to mix R6 or M50 with the newer ones, colors are completely different. I assume that the reason is that only Adobe color profiles are available. Lightroom sliders also behave/react very differently with the onder and newer cameras and very difficult to match their edited "look" visually.
I assume that if there would be Camera Matching color profiles available, that would solve this issue and it would provide a common editing starting point and common slider/parameter response of their raw between older and newer Canon camera models.

Canon support gave me the information that they provided every neccessary information to Adobe to solve this problem and provide Camera Marching color profiles in Lightroom Classic.

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Lightroom Classic: Canon's newer CR3 raw cameras missing "camera matching" color profiles

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108 Points

a month ago

The missing camermatching-profiles for .cr3 are bugging me a lot as well and I hope Adobe will add more support for newer models soon, as they have promised in another thread.

I found the following link to be handy as it shows whether there are cameramatching profiles available for generally supported Cameras:

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

I use the Canon EOS 250D which came out in April 2019. There are no cameramatching-profiles for it yet and to use the built-in Adobe-profiles is unfortunately no solution as they look horrible in comparison to the camera standard. (way darker, way less vivid - the whole histogram is mal-adjusted)
I searched for a work-around countless hours but I found none. Replicating the original look of the photo, as the camera (and for example FastStoneViewer) show it, in Lightroom Classic is nigh impossible and also a bit different for every single photo.

I found two things to be strange about the whole story:
There are actually cameras with .cr3 format that have nicely working cameramatching profiles in Lightroom, for example the EOS M50. It came out in 2018. This undermines Adobe's statement that the format itself is too complicated.
A free image viewer like FastStone Image Viewer ist totally capable of showing the .cr3 correctly (just like the camera) and exporting it to a .jpg that looks exactly the same. I find it irritating that an expensive program like Lightroom can't do the same.

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"A free image viewer like FastStone Image Viewer ist totally capable of showing the .cr3 correctly (just like the camera) and exporting it to a .jpg that looks exactly the same."

Faststone is showing you the JPEG preview embedded in the .cr3 by the camera -- it isn't rendering the raw itself.

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That is something I already suspected, having read several threads about the topic when I was looking for a solution ;)
Yet I can edit that .cr3 based on the embedded JPG-preview with Faststone Image Viewer.
But if I get it right that's just like editing a JPG then and doesn't have the quality advantages of editing the RAW in lightroom?

(edited)

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"Yet I can edit that .cr3 based on the embedded JPG-preview."

I'm not sure what you're describing. LR only edits the raw data -- Develop ignores the JPEG preview. 

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To clarify/expand: LR can edit a JPEG but if the document is raw, it edits the raw data not the JPEG preview inside that are. As John states: LR only edits that raw data.

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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Sorry, I forgot to clarify that I meant editing the .cr3 based on the embedded Jpg-Preview with Faststone Image Viewer.

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A number of people have reported satisfaction with profiles purchased from colorfidelity.com ($15). Unfortunately, they don't currently support the 250D.   Since it doesn't look like LR will provide camera-matching profiles for the newer Canon cameras any time soon, you might consider sending Colorfidelity an email request for 250D support.

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Thanks for the tip. I wrote them and they answered they are not planning to release profiles for the 250D.

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90 Points

a month ago

When will the camera profiles for the Canon 90d become available in LRC, LR and Camera Raw, please

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Lightroom Classic: Camera profile Canon 90D

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216 Points

Hi

They have been available since LrC 8.4, Lr 2.4 and Camera Raw 11.4.

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This is a really useful reference guide Adobe have that lists the minimum versions for camera models (you can select by Manufacturer):

https://helpx.adobe.com/uk/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

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90 Points

Not appearing for the 90d. Only for 70d, 77d and older etc

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216 Points

Not appearing where? Check the Adobe list (next post), they are definitely available. What version of LrC are you checking in? And these are for raw files?

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Just to clarify, are you talking about Camera Matching profiles, like Camera Standard etc.? 

Am I right in thinking that the 90D uses Canon's newer CR3 format? While I don't have a file to test, there is an issue producing camera matching profiles for this new format. There's further information in this feature request post: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/camera-rawlightroom-classic-support-for-cr3-cameramatching-profiles/5f5f46284b561a3d4276dc71 

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Thank you, Victoria. Yes I was talking about the camera matching profiles and yes the Canon 90d uses the CR3 format. 

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This thread is being merged into an authoritative thread for better tracking and response. 

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70 Points

a month ago

Hello! Can you please tell me what's going on with the camera profiles in Lightroom for Canon? I had a huge unpleasant surprise discovering that my new Canon R6 has no profiles in LR yet. And seeing that all Canon cameras in the last year have no profile... wow... this is a huge dissapointment, my whole workflow is based on camera profile for my Canon cameras. And all my cameras now are R6s and no profile in LR. I understand it's both a problem with Canon and Adobe, but can you please tell me when do you think it will be solved? The camera profiles was the main reason I've never switched form Lightroom to Capture1 or Afinity. Please don't make me leave you and add the camera profiles as soon as possible. Thank you!

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Canon Camera Profiles for their last... 10 or so cameras? Please?

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70 Points

6 days ago

Hi"

I really miss the Camera Matching in Camera Raw for Canon Eos R6. It makes a new world when it comes to perfect skin color - as I used it a lot with my old EOS Mark IV. This is really important for me as a professional photographer. I have been in the game for a while and always been a true costumer to Adobe - I would really appreciate if you could please update it.  

Thanks

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Camera Raw - Matching Profile

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120 Points

3 days ago

i dont know how i did it but it works

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Which camera?.......

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120 Points

eos rp , profile copied from 6d mk2 and its almost same with canon dpp but minor wb changes little contrasty

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How do you copy a camera profile ?

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120 Points

search it on web u will find how to do it , i can add camera profiles if someone interested with rp's

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98 Points

I'm sorry but I didn't find anything to just "copy" a camera profile from a camera to another.
If your solution is to try to reproduce the profile using dng profile editor and lightroom, then it's not the solution I'm looking for.
But maybe you have a good link to share ?

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120 Points

what camera are you using ?

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98 Points

I have two R6 in replacement of my two 5DIV.
I bought Canon just because I like the colors (I use only camera standard), and I feel a little bit disapointed about all this issue with CR3 ^^

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120 Points

i have same feelings about that , for the r6 i suggest u to check colorfidelity's color profiles its way better than adobes

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98 Points

Yes I bought it but it's not as good as I expected.

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72 Points

2 days ago

A lot of photographers await the color Profile.

Please update it as soon as possible.

The two cameras are being sold in huge no. for a couple of months now.

Thanks.

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Color profile for Canon R5+R6

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120 Points

@Elyashiv  adobe says cr3 its complex to understand so they blame canon about this , and eos rp still waiting about 1.5 years those profiles

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120 Points

yes and rp same as 6dm2
if r5 and r6 gets profiles and rp doesnt im quiting adobe