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Camera Raw/Lightroom Classic: Support for .CR3 Camera-matching Profiles

There is currently zero support for .CR3 camera color profiles in Lightroom... especially since the newer Canon cameras use a .CR3 format... making it difficult to get work done. Only slightly surprised that this wasnt planned for beforehand since there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS.

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a month ago

This was buried in the thread in a response. I have brought it out so that you can see it.

Source: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/what-does-camera-support-mean/5f5f46244b561a3d4275ca34 

Camera Matching Profiles: 

Support for a particular flavor of a camera’s raw file does not necessarily mean that there will be Camera Matching profiles for that camera at the time of raw file support.  It is normal for Camera Matching profiles to follow raw support by one or two releases. In the case of some camera models or camera manufacturers or in the event of major changes in file format by a particular manufacturer, that time may be greatly increased. 

Note: Not all cameras will ultimately receive Camera Matching profiles. 

ETA for any type of camera support is generally not announced in advance of release. 

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a year ago

I've searched around but can't find anything regarding the camera matching profiles for this camera body for Lightroom Classic.  The file is supported, but there are only Adobe Profiles and no "matching" profiles.

Does anyone know if they exists and where I can find them if they do?

Thanks
Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Camera Raw/Lightroom: Canon eos m6 mark II camera profiles

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Is that one of the new cameras with CR3 files? If so, see Eric Chan's (Camera Raw Engineer) comments here:  https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2650451
At present we cannot build the Camera Matching profiles due to recent file format changes.  We are working with Canon to resolve this, but it will take time.  Thanks for your patience.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Victoria, thank you!  I had a feeling it was something along one of those lines, but strangely I found nothing when doing a search using several different terms.  "camera matching profiles" was one of them.  Obviously I missed it in some way.  thanks again

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You're very welcome. The those Adobe forums are a bit impossible to find anything at the moment since they switching software. I only spotted it as I track Eric's posts by email.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Shouldn't they have fixed it by now ?
What about an announcement from Adobe about progression or reasons for not doing anything?

Lightroom is not for Canon users anymore, it seems. Very unfortunate.

Btw. Your link does not work.

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A year old thread and I am still waiting for these profiles.

I wonder if Adobe can give us some more info about what is going on, please? Is there any progress? Does Canon refuse to provide you with the information you need?

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10 months ago

You don’t see an option for Adobe Standard? 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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There is an option for adobe standard but that is not "Camera Standard" as I would get with the 1DX Mk II or the 5D MkIII... I know the camera is new but they supposedly have been working on this since september?

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10 months ago

"there still isnt a 64bit version of the adobe programs that i can use on the most current version of MacOS"

Recent versions of Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, and the other Creative Cloud apps do run on Mac OS 10.15 (Catalina):
https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/fix-macos-64-bit-compatibility-errors.html

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10 months ago

"There is currently zero support for .CR3 camera color profiles in Lightroom... especially since the newer Canon cameras use a .CR3 format"

Are you referring to the Camera Matching profiles that approximate the in-camera renderings? At least some Canons have LR camera-matching profiles. For example, here are the ones for the Canon EOS R:



Which camera(s) are you referring to?

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I'm referring to the 1DX MkIII. My apologies for leaving that out. Didnt know there were that many cameras out now using .CR3 format. The 1DX MkII has camera standard etc in LR so I guess I have to wait?

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10 months ago

No idea specifically what the OP is referring to either. 
Not all cameras have camera matching profiles either but until we know exactly what he’s referring to....

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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I'm referring to the 1DX MkIII... the MkII has camera standard etc as color profiles in LR.

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10 months ago

See the response from Adobe in this other forum thread: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2650451
MadManChan2000 indicates work is in progress for those looking for the missing camera matching profiles for recent Canon Cameras using the CR3 format. (with exception of EOS R - which are already supported)






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That link doesn't work, what is it supposed to say?

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Unfortunately, that link refers to older content that Adobe chose not to retain when they migrated the "community" forums from the old end-of-life Jive platform to the new Khoros platform.

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Essentially it said there are technical limitations preventing them from creating the profiles for the new cameras and they need Canon's help to get around them.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

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Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Exactly. What I've also recently heard was cooperation from (in this case Canon but all manufacturers) is necessary and if Adobe could get this, they would like to provide such profiles. Once again with respect to proprietary raws, some manufacturers are making this very difficult.

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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9 months ago

Access to Camera Matching Profiles are camera specific. Exact camera. Not based on sensor, not based on in camera processor, not based on camera brand specific RAW.

So what camera do you have?

And, yes cr3 fairly new, what a March last year? So some catching up to do

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Yea.  The RP is now over a year old and no Camera matching profiles yet.  Nor do the 90D or the 1DX3 have Camera matching profiles.  I am on LR Classic 9.2.1 and Camera Raw 12.2.1.

Would be good to know if Adobe has just given up on Canon Camera matching profiles.  If so, this is a big deal and will influence of a lot of us who rely on LR. I sure hope they are going to fix it.  It makes LR produce far inferior results to the Canon JPG colors, WB, etc. and nearly impossible to match LR images with SOOC images in a set.

Let's say I shoot a session and send off a few the best images which are SOOC JPGs as early samples.  Then I pull the whole set of RAWs into LR to clone out blemishes, fix highlight and shadow issues, etc. and I can't achieve anything close to the images I already sent in.

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9 months ago

As for no 64bit. Huhhhh?? All is now 64bit, do you perhaps have some old left over stuff (being nice) stuck in your MAC?

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9 months ago

Wait a second. Are you still using perpetual license LR? i.e. v6.14?

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No. I'm using the most current version of lightroom 9.12 or whatever it is. I cannot update my mac OS because if I do then none of the adobe programs will work... ask me how that felt when I had to wipe the computer to reinstall everything in the middle of a weekend shoot...

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7 months ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Need Canon 1DX3 Camera Matching Profiles.

There are no Canon matching profiles for the 1DX3 (or for that matter for the RP, 90D and 1DX3 and others too but these are the three bodies that affect me).  Will they ever be delivered?  When?  This is a serious impediment to pro and semi-pro photogs.

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7 months ago

 The following is the list of Canon cameras currently using the CR3    format and their release dates:
    EOS M50 / Kiss M    04/2018
    EOS R    09/2018
    PowerShot SX70 HS    09/2018
    EOS RP    02/2019
    EOS Rebel SL3 / 250D / Kiss X10    04/2019
    Powershot G5 X Mark II    07/2019
    PowerShot G7 X Mark III    07/2019
    EOS M6 Mark II    08/2019
    EOS 90D    08/2019
    EOS M200    09/2019
    EOS 1DX Mark III    01/2020
    850D / T8i / Kiss X10i    02/2020

Of these only the EOS R has "Camera Matching" profiles in LR/ACR and this feat was accomplished by Adobe taking advantage of the fact that the 5DIV and the EOS R have the same sensor and "rebranding" old 5DIV profiles. Adobe has said that the CR3 code has presented extraordinary resistance to their efforts to understand it  - despite the fact that analysts like Phil Harvey, Alexey Danilchenko and others have published quite a lot of Open Source data.

It is hard  to understand Adobe's neglect in this area.


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"It is hard  to understand Adobe's neglect in this area."

I very much agree with that !

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5 months ago

I'm having this same issue.  The 1DX Mark III has no supporting camera color profiles.   Adobe team, any news on when this will be supported?  This is Canon's flagship new camera - it's hard to believe that your program doesn't support the color profiles.  

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5 months ago

It not only ”supports” profiles, you can and often should make your own custom profiles.

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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I'm not sure what you mean that it supports profiles.  The issue is that it doesn't support Canon .CR3 profiles.  There are other profiles like Adobe and yes, you can make custom, but many times the Camera manufacturer profiles are quite useful.  

Other Canon formats like .CR2 are supported.  Not sure why .CR3 isn't supported.

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I've got two different Canon bodies and both Adobe supplied and better custom built profiles. NOT all cameras Canon or otherwise have Adobe Camera Matching profiles and Adobe never promised this.
Edit: LR and ACR have never supported ICC camera profiles if that's what you mean.

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Adobe has always supported camera profiles, as well as lens profiles.  One of the benefits of using the subscription is that you have access to these updates.  The issue is they haven't kept up with the profiles of the latest Canon bodies. All of my other Canon bodies are supported (1DX2, 7D2, 5D3, 5DSR) - it's only the latest model that isn't supported.  I don't believe it's unreasonable to expect that Adobe supports the latest camera profiles.  

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5 months ago

No... I think you are misunderstanding or are clearly mistaken... the only optional for color profiles are Adobe color, adobe standard etc. There are no "camera standard" and so on profiles. As with pretty much all the other available camera bodies...