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Tue, Jul 14, 2020 3:37 PM

Camera Raw 12.3: I absolutely hate the new UI, anyone else with me?

I was working on a big wedding, took a break and saw Adobe wanted me to update. So I hit update, came back to my computer to find ACR completely jacked up. SERIOUSLY???? I am so upset and angry right now. Can you give people a freakin heads up when you're about to completely screw up their entire day???? I HATE LIGHTROOM. I do not use LIGHTROOM because ACR is much simpler. But not anymore!!! ACR is totally completely different. I can't find half of the crap I usually use. All of my presets are gone. Everything is different? Why? Whyyyyyyyyy??? did you do this???? The dumbest thing I've ever seen. I'm so so so irritated right now. I see some people posting that I can revert and follow 1 million steps to hopefully return to the old version. Now I'll have to spend hours trying to do that. I do not to the depths of my soul understand why you would do this to everyone. At least in the future put a giant warning "HEY SO AND SO IF YOU PUSH THIS BUTTON PREPARE TO SPEND HOURS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WTH IS GOING ON AND HAVE YOUR ENTIRE WORKFLOW GO OUT THE WINDOW....." ????!!!!!

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10 m ago

Thank you for continuing to provide valuable feedback on the recent UI changes in Adobe Camera Raw 12.3. For some customers these changes have disrupted existing workflows, particularly for in-process projects. To mitigate these issues we have offered a roll back to version 12.2.1 so that you can continue your current projects under the old UI.

 

Adobe updated the Camera Raw user interface for several reasons. The new design supports commonly-requested features, such as a horizontal filmstrip, a Crop tool consistent with the Photoshop and Lightroom crop models, and the ability to see multiple edit panels simultaneously. The new design is also intended to accommodate several new image editing features that we have in the works.

 

At this time, Adobe is not planning to revert the UI to the 12.2.1 state nor are there plans to offer both interfaces as an option in the future. That said, we are determined to fix bugs and improve workflows within the new user interface. Please continue to provide feedback on bugs (items not working as designed) and feature requests (changing items from their as designed behavior to a new behavior). Each individual item warrants its own new thread where we can hone the request with your information and commentary and others can provide pinpoint feedback.

 

In a forum like this it is often easy to lose sight of the self-selecting bias that can result making it appear as if 'everyone in the world’ is complaining. Remember, those for whom the UI has caused little or no difficulty have little incentive to appear and post here.

 

Lastly, it is most important to respect others opinions, behave civilly and stay focused on providing quality feedback.

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10 m ago

You want to go back to the last version? 
Installers can be found here:https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x

You want to learn how the new version works? 
https://blogs.adobe.com/jkost/2020/06/acrv12-3.html

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I spent an hour trying to learn how the new version works. The interface is horrible. I LOVED the old version, why completely change everything???!!! I just spent another 30 minutes deleting and reinstalling / restarting /etc to go back to the old version. PLEASE for the love of God get rid of the newest version. Everything I loved about ACR is gone and it's not user friendly at all. 

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Agree that it is awful.  Others have commented that you can roll-back to the previous version of ACR here, which is version 12.2.1: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html#12_x.  However, I found that the option to "Open in Camera Raw" when selecting files in Bridge is now gone.

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You need to also roll back your version of Bridge through Creative Cloud.

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New to the thread but in case adobe actually reads these, I completely agree that this update sucked! The UI is completely inefficient. The number one reason I preferred using Bridge/ACR was that the organization was better, and the UI was 1000% better than LR while still benefiting from the same editing algorithm under the hood. Why would anyone want to scroll all the way to the bottom of anything when you can have the tabbed editing workflow??? At least in a future release they should let you pick your UI. Give a classic mode with all the benefits of the new stuff! I will be rolling back to the older version until this joke is fixed. If I wanted to use LR, I would have installed it.

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Chris you are not alone.  I have been shouting this from the rooftops, apparently there are fixes in the works - at the very least we have been told that Bridge will work with Legacy versions of ACR, so we just need them to realise how much better the tabbed layout is etc.

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 apparently there are fixes in the works 
Don't make promises (based on assumptions) you can't keep. 
Got any of the ACR beta's since 12.3 was released; yes or no?
Know what changes are coming and if they will make everyone happy; yes or no? 
You under an NDA from Adobe; yes or no? 

We both know the answers to that but it's worth asking for others reading here. 

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You are a very bitter little man.

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”The fix” being?
Thanks for confirming Ash, you have no idea what's happening with the next releases of ACR, unlike another here. 
Bug fixes? Yes. Some here actually have experience reporting them. Other's can only complain about design changes they (again) assume are bugs. 

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We are not saying it’s buggy (we’re not using it) we are saying it is fundamentally flawed. I get that you in your privileged position have been involved in it and have have fallen into line about your own issues with it. We have been told from Adobe future Bridge iterations will be able to use LegacyACR, and that “all the trouble” is being dealt with. Some people like stick shifts, and some people don’t want EVs. Hopefully we can make space for what people want, without having to drop Adobe.

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NO, you're not saying it's buggy, again missing what you posted from Adobe. 
"The Fix" you assume again is some overhaul back to what you had; not happening. 
Having newer Bridge work with older ACR? Bug, will be fixed. 
Newer ACR? Yes; I could tell you all about it, I'd have to kill you. <g>
What you feel (we, speaking for everyone) is fundamentally flawed is the new direction. A direction we (many) are quite happy with.

You're not getting what you think you want and are suggesting/shouting (again and again; definition of insanity) today:
Chris you are not alone.  I have been shouting this from the rooftops, apparently there are fixes in the works -
Again, don't make promises or suggestions of what's coming (based on assumptions) you can't keep and don't know about. 

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Please don't try and tell me what to do.  If you have children I am sure you know what effect that can have. 

 And please stop using that over-used mis-quote, it is quite offensive to anyone who has to deal day to day with peoples genuine mental issues. 

 I am not alone in saying that 12.3 is fundamentally flawed,  unless you are blind to the responses on here and other Adobe support forums, on FB, twitter, blogs etc.  

I do not expect a complete reversion to the LegacyACR, but, in time:

  • A fix to bring back the efficiency of UI  we rely on: (we being the people who are bringing up these issues.)

  •  The option of a tabbed layout for minimum mouse movement with shortcuts that work for them, or perhaps a configurable tool layout (like Ps)

  •  A crop tool with the option of Classic Crop mode (like Ps)  - that remembers crop settings between sessions, 

  •  Functioning shortcuts that at least mirror what we could do before,   

  • Wheel settings (for brushes) that match Ps..
  • Oh, and keep the local hue adjustment, everyone appears to like that.


But equally what I don't hold out much hope for is a supportive, civil or pleasant response from you, so go on, surprise us. ;-)

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Please don't try and tell me what to do
Fine, make up stuff and tell people what isn't coming. 
You don't know what's coming, you can't tell us factually what is obvious, you're not a beta tester, you have no idea what Adobe's going to be doing with ACR. All you can do is shout. Most of it nonsense based on zero data. 
Without data, you're simply someone with an opinion. 
I am not alone in saying that 12.3 is fundamentally flawed,  
"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."-Bertrand Russell


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  • Oh, and keep the local hue adjustment, everyone appears to like that.
Another assumption while speaking for everyone which will only result in you shouting, pointlessly. 

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Anatole France actually but still a valid quote, if you a happy to call anyone who disagrees with you foolish.

You are right, I am not a beta tester, I am a photographer, I actually use this thing every day.

You are right, I do not know what is coming, I remain hopeful of a workable solution. 

Do show me the data you have on how happy people are with 12.3, especially working photographers who prefer Bridge/ACR workflows to LR.  

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I said "Everyone appears to like" - ie. I have not seen any criticism of the inclusion (finally) of local HSL adjustment.  Have you seen data that suggests people prefer not to include that feature, do share?

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Anatole France actually but still a valid quote, if you a happy to call anyone who disagrees with you foolish.
You are foolish if you make promises or suggestions about what is coming of which you have no idea and suggest that because some dislike something, everyone must and therefore it's flawed. 
You are right, I am not a beta tester, I am a photographer, I actually use this thing every day.
And hence have no idea what's coming. And yet, today you tried telling others what's coming. PLEASE don't. 
You are right, I do not know what is coming, I remain hopeful of a workable solution. 
The solutions were provided over and over again. And you picked one. You reverted. And you'll be there a very long time if you believe the new direction is flawed and if you believe shouting over and over again will revert that direction. Refinements? That's the history of software development at Adobe and elsewhere.  
Do show me the data you have on how happy people are with 12.3, especially working photographers who prefer Bridge/ACR workflows to LR.  
I provided some posts from people that are happy with the current behavior. In no way does that equate to the masses or user base. I never suggested otherwise. 
Fact: NOT EVERYONE (even all the everyone's you speak for) dislike the new direction. Some do, some don't. 
I said "Everyone appears to like" - ie
Yes, it's you speculating again for others. Just try speaking for yourself. Even if you must repeatedly shout and shout and shout, intermixed with posts telling people your assumptions about what's coming that you know nothing about. 
 Have you seen data that suggests people prefer not to include that feature, do share?
I have data on what's coming and no, I can't share that. But I expect more shouting. 


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I think I have remained very calm.  Even with you. SHOUTING I do very rarely, and never here.

 I used the phrase "shouting from the rooftops" to mean making my (personal) views heard as clearly and widely as possible, "singing" it from there would have meant the same from my point of view.

 I have a strong view on this, because I care about it, because my work relies on it.  12.3 as it stands is (for me) much slower to use.

 You admit that you have no data on how many like NewACR vs how many do not,  bearing in mind the lead time for revisions just how certain are you that this "new direction" will not turn out to be poorly steered?  

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SHOUTING I do very rarely, and never here.
Never, again so difficult to take your writings seriously.
Must have been the other Ash who said this 7 hours ago:
I have been shouting this from the rooftops
I'm simply taking you at your word above, then dismissing much of your word because it's based on assumptions, speculations and just one person's opinion. In the case of shouting, one person's ever changing opinion. 

Tip on holes: when you're deep in a hole of your own digging, STOP digging.
You admit that you have no data on how many like NewACR vs how many do not,  bearing in mind the lead time for revisions just how certain are you that this "new direction" will not turn out to be poorly steered?  
I admit that unlike you, I will not speak for everyone. Unlike you, I've provided posts here from users who do like the new direction so they exist. Unlike you, I will not make up stuff and pass it off to other readers. Unlike you, I have an idea of what's coming. 

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Taking me at my word would mean that you actually thought I went up to the rooftops (all of them I guess) and shouted.  I know you are not thick, but don't be so pedantic just to try and win imaginary points.

   If in the next releases nothing is fixed for anyone who has issue with the way 12.3 works then well done you, you were right all along. If any notice has been taken with any feedback that arrived about 12.3 and some things are better then all this lovely banter will have been worthwhile.  

I do not speak for everyone, I have tried very hard to be clear where I stand. I am not "making stuff up" - I was referring to non-bug related replies from Adobe employees.   

There is no need to be so smug about your unpaid work you do for Adobe,  if I were you reading any negative posts (all from one "shouting" and "complaining"  person obviously) I would feel bad that I had failed to smooth the delivery of what was presumably meant to be an improvement for all.  But there we are.

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Ash as you keep posting: all doubt removed.

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You keep chirping back, people keep agreeing with me. Life goes on.

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Shouting assumptions doest compare to chirping facts Ash. I'm sorry the facts keep ruining your life that goes on.

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My life is great, don’t worry, but thanks for your concern. You provide an occasional tiny distant whiff in the air on a sunny cloudless day.

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I'm not at all worried or concerned (another set of assumptions). Sunny and factual where I reside.
Anyway, the important facts are the people who don't agree with you are people at Adobe.

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Well, in that case I shall continue singing out about my issues with 12.3, and hopefully our chorus (the voices of people who agree with me) will be heard. It is far from unfixable, with this much “progress” from V12.2 to 12. 3 who knows what v15 will be like. I’m happy to wait.

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One professional photographer posting here has spent 3 decades working with Adobe engineers (one still to this day), and litterly dozens of other software and hardware compaines honing their products through alpha and beta testing. He started his own software company with a group of other professional photographers and released a suite of software designed for photographers. He paid for engineering and knows a bit about how engineers ‘think different’, that they don’t like people shouting or critizing their work, and he knows some ways to speak to them to attempt and sometimes receive the change in software he desires. Sometimes.

The other “Photographer” here has no such experience. But does shout and complain often. The result may be ‘likes’ but it’s unlikely to affect change. Any change that does come, refinements, he will certainly take credit for. Another assumption.
Keep waiting Ash.

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Ha, that is just plain rude.  But I don't care about how bitter  and spiteful you sound. 

I am happy to be judged by people who I respect.

I have lots of respect for your knowledge, and historical experience,  some for your photography, but almost none for your attitude and character. 

 I know which matters most in the end. 

  p.s. Do define "photographer" for me, because if it isn't someone who derives their whole income from selling photographs I would love to know what it is! :-)   

www.ashmills.com   for anyone bored of this banter.  :-)

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Respect is Earned.
Experience and posting facts is part of earning respect.
Thank you for confirming to your audience that you’ve entered a post upon which you have no experience.

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It is also possible to lose the respect you earned, no matter how much you had, or how many decades it took to get it.   Still waiting for you to define "photographer", and why you think I do not deserve the title.  

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Yes Ash: difficult to respect people telling others what's coming from Adobe based on a figment of an imagination.
As for waiting, I've made it clear you will be doing so in a number of ways.
Oh, bored? Move on. But you absolutely will attempt to get the last word in, even if it's highly speculative. Impulse control?

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Hi Ash. I have also spoken with an Adobe employee who when I questioned about the push back regarding ACR 12.3 he said that the engineers had received the Feedback and were working on a solution. What the solution is, we will see.  

In the meantime. These thread should be kept alive to remind those at Adobe we're waiting. 

But please please please stop feeding the troll.  

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Hi Ash. I have also spoken with an Adobe employee who when I questioned about the push back regarding ACR 12.3 he said that the engineers had received the Feedback and were working on a solution. What the solution is, we will see.  

In the meantime. These thread should be kept alive to remind those at Adobe we're waiting. 

But please please please stop feeding the troll.  

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One professional photographer posting here has spent 3 decades working with Adobe engineers (one still to this day), and litterly dozens of other software and hardware compaines honing their products through alpha and beta testing.
You may be a photographer Andrew, but you're no professional. A professional would treat others with respect and conduct themselves in a professional manner; you consistently do neither. You're right; respect does have to be earned -- which is probably why numerous people here appear to have little respect for you. Condescending arrogance is never a pleasant quality in anybody.

I hope Ash and others do "continue singing" about this issue. In contrast you've demonstrated time and time again that you're completely tone deaf about it. It's people like you who are part of the problem - not part of the solution.

Predictably you will now proceed to judge the signposts instead of taking guideance from the directions they're pointing ...

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Ya I agree,  I can`t stand lightroom either and this version of raw feels like it. The crop tool sucks bigtime.

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10 m ago

Totally agree with OP. This is a major revision, and in many ways a massive leap backwards in usability.

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YES. Even if it has some "new better features" why totally scrap everything we were all comfortable with?? SO SO SO SO SOOOOOO annoying on so many levels. 

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I like LR Classic, but I absolutely do not like the LR or new ACR UI.

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Hey you are absolutely right i have to work on ACR 3-5 hours a day and now they have completely messed it up, everything has become so irritating and lengthy why would they do it..

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Yes!!! I work in ACR at least 15 hours/week. To open it up and have EVERYTHING gone and different is just like a freaking slap in the face. I can't find my presets, I can't work anything like I used to, if I wanted to spend hours learning a new program I would have purposely BOUGHT a new program. I did not want a new program, I loved the old ACR and was very comfortable with it. From the depths of my soul I don't understand why you would scrap everything and totally redo it.

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Oh my, you can roll back and use the previous version as long as you want:
Installers can be found here:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb...

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When will Adobe people stop with the condescension and start listening?

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"Listen to understand instead of listening to respond." - Barack Obama

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Yes, now try it!

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This 'rollback to the last version' response does not explain why such a poor version (ACR 12.13) was put on Adobe's servers to begin with and why, when updating, the choice of options did not say that choosing 12.13 was a one way street. 

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You feel it's poor. You are entitled to that opinion. Adobe didn't go out of its way to put out a poor version. Adobe and many others (including many pre-release testers) feel otherwise. 

If you are not happy with the product, and you are entitled to feel that way, you can stop using it (or roll back) because this isn't a one way street just like with any software, you either move forward, move back (for as long as you can) or move on. Nothing new about this behavior from Adobe or others. 

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Do you work for Adobe, Andrew?  Were you part of the design team for 12.13?
If not, why are you defending Adobe?  Are you the official moderator for this forum or just someone who answers questions?  

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Do you work for Adobe, Andrew?
No, I do not work for Adobe person (lwdgrfx) hiding behind an alias. Full transparency, I work for myself (https://www.linkedin.com/in/digitaldog/)
I have been a beta site for Adobe since Photoshop 2.5 back in 1992 and purchased my first copy, Photoshop 1.0.7 in 1990. And I've been a beta for many dozens of other software companies and have produced software too. 
I don't have to defend, I have facts. I've provided multiple examples from other's who very much like the new version. That you don't like it is fine with me; again you are entitled to that opinion. 
I am not a moderator here. And yes, as you can see from my history of 1000+ replies JUST in this one forum, I do answer questions. 

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I personally would not characterize this new version as "poor". But there are some problems areas that really need attention, which the OP and others have called attention to in this thread, and which I am also having difficulty with. (The crop tool in particular).

Responding to this feedback with comments such as "stop using it (or roll back)" doesn't help in anyway, shape or form with moving the product forward. And it's a very coarse attitude to take with loyal (monthly fee-paying) customers.

Why not try to understand the problems people are having and help us understand whether we're all doing something wrong, or to try to understand what needs to be fixed? All I get here is that Adobe developers would greatly prefer it if customers would just shut up.

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@Andrew Rodney, it's not just about "feels" and "liking some change". From an UX perspective, some things can be objectively measured, like "how long does action X take". In this case, Adobe and the early testers probably oversaw that some common tasks, especially for power users, would get slowed down tremendously by this update without communicating clearly how those workflows are supposed to be accomplished in the new version.
The frustration here does not come from people saying "change is bad" but from users that feel their workflows have been negatively impacted on such a level that going to a forum and complaining seems reasonable. No-one wants to complain.

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Precisely, Felix. 

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How long did it take you to ride a bike the first time you got on, after a couple hours and a couple of weeks? 
Some Adobe customers hates two things: Change and the way things are. 

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Have you actually tried to accomplish the task I layed out in my comment? Feel free to objectively measure (e.g. use a stopwatch). If someone cuts off a wheel from your bicycle and tells you "drive now", how long would you try?
To repeat it here:
- load 300 images into camera raw
- count the seconds until you selected image 185 to change some settings there
- count the seconds until you now selected image 34 to change some settings there.
It's a task, it can be measured, it's slower on the new version by an order of magnitude – feel free to explain if you found out how to configure the new version to accomplish this task as fast as in the previous one.

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I would use a much better tool for processing 300 images, one designed for that task. Not that I can fathom applying the same edit to 300 images but again, there's a far, far better tool for mass editing many images.  
Try opening 300 30mb TIFFs into Photoshop to do whatever. Then maybe you'll see too, there's a far better tool for such a task, also from Adobe, also provided WITH Photoshop. 

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By my observation Andrew, a significant number of your "history of 1000+ replies JUST in this one forum" consist of (or contain) snide/sarcastic remarks that more than nullify any helpful contributions.

Posts like
  • "What's that old saying about opinions (and everyone having one...."
  • "Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change."
  • "Oh my",
  • "But go on, revert"
... are arrogant, condescending, unprofessional, and unhelpful. 

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Your observations are flawed if you take the percentage of likes from others into consideration. But your observations are your opinion and again, you are entitled to them. You are not entitled to your own facts. 
You've made 15 posts thus far with one like; you have some work ahead of you sir. 

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Andrew, I am afraid you are really not coming across well here.  Frankly you would do better to default to an Adobe style response - "Sorry to hear of your problems, we will try to continually improve our products, do please add a feature request..." (to add back features you had before, oops we really messed this one, thank goodness so few people are at work at the moment")

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Also Andrew, do tell, what program would you use to process 300 Camera Raw files that is designed for that task?  Because personally, until very recently, having tried everything I used the catchy titled "Adobe Camera Raw"

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Andrew, I am afraid you are really not coming across well here.
That's your opinion. I'm fine with it. 
No, I'm not sorry to hear your complaints. 

The only thing complaining does is convince other people that you are not in control.” Anonymous

You can keep complaining, you can roll back, you can learn to use the new product, you can move to another product. Those asking how to roll back had that question answered. 

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Also wanted to ask this :) if you have a great recommendation for which tool you'd recommend, more than happy to try it and compare it speed-wise how it fares against "old" Camera Raw.

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"You've made 15 posts thus far with one like; you have some work ahead of you sir."

With all due respect sir I'm talking about you - not me. 

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Also Andrew, do tell, what program would you use to process 300 Camera Raw files that is designed for that task?  


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"You can keep complaining, you can roll back, you can learn to use the new product, you can move to another product."

Or we can - hopefully - give Adobe enough feedback that they take it onboard and give us the solution that we're needing. Research tells us that for every person who takes the time to document their concerns there are many others who feel the same way.

Smart companies value feedback. Your implication (and associated condescension) that it's the people wanting things put back the way they were who are the problem (rather than the product) is not helpful.

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Well there you go.  I am going to guess you are not a working professional if you have so little respect for those here who are -  I do not like the way LR works, and you know what I am not alone.

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Yes, you can be hopeful. In the meantime, your various options have been outlined.
Have a plan B. Recognize others are happy with the new build.

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Well there you go.  I am going to guess you are not a working professional if you have so little respect for those here who are -  I do not like the way LR works, and you know what I am not alone.

Well there you go, you did guess and you're wrong. My background is utterly transparent. Again:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/digitaldog/
http://www.digitaldog.net/ 

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"I do not like the way LR works, and you know what I am not alone."

You most certainly are not alone. I find Lightroom excruciatingly irritating; it's like buying a 500hp car and then discovering that 490hp is dedicated to the air conditioning. In contrast Bridge + ACR is like a Ferrari; it may have an expensive piece of string to open the door, but all of it's horsepower makes it through to where the rubber meets the road.

If Adobe aren't going to give us the option of returning to an efficient interface then ACR 12.2.1 will be the version I'll be using until the day I die. And I'm not planning on dying any time soon.

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"Yes, you can be hopeful. In the meantime, your various options have been outlined.
Have a plan B. Recognize others are happy with the new build."

I'm already on "Plan B" or "12.2.1" as it's better known by. So are many others apparantly.

We don't want to be on "Plan B" - we're giving feedback to Adobe that we think they need to fix their "Plan A". Your persistent insistance that we're the problem rather than the product isn't helpful to anyone.

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Andrew, with respect, I get that you have been a pro photographer back in the day, and that now you are mostly an adviser, alpha tester etc etc.    You seem to be missing our collective points  - ACR was better before in basically every single way for the professional photographers that use it TODAY for thousands of photos in the fast paced world we work in now.  MANY photographers do not like Lightroom.  If Adobe does not fix ACR we may well move to Capture One etc.  Just tried LR Classic again, wow it is awful.  Need to go and turn on compatibility mode so it previews my PSDs.  Hate it. Hate it so much.

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ACR was better before in basically every single way for the professional photographers that use it TODAY for thousands of photos in the fast paced world we work in now.

It was better for YOU. It was better for others. It isn't better for everyone. 
Many professional photographers like myself, don't like beets. 
See how silly it appears to speak for others let alone 'all' so called professional photographers? 

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I never said "all."   Thank you for at least recognising that it was better before for me and others.  I am concerned that much of the enthusiasm for 12.3 is from people who do not NEED to use it for hours at a time.   I look forward to hearing from those people one day to see how they make it work fast for them.  In the meantime I will Upgrade back to the old version, and have another look at Capture One.

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You didn't say all indeed. You did speak for others and you assume, like the statement below, your opinions are those of others:

 I am concerned that much of the enthusiasm for 12.3 is from people who do not NEED to use it for hours at a time. 
That's an assumption. Again, you are entitled to your own opinions. Be concerned with your own usage and really, stop believing that those who are happy with the new product are only happy because they don't spend hours with the product. Some may, some may not. 

This idea that Adobe when out of their way to upset pro's, or people who work with their products for X number of hours shouldn't be taken seriously, especially by those that work with the product for hours and DO like the new GUI. 

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*bangs head against screen*    *sighs*  Loving reverting to the old version.   I am not saying people are not happy with the new one, I just DO NOT BELIEVE that it can be operated faster than the old version.  My offer to race anyone to process 100 shots stands.

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Andrew, I cannot honestly believe that Adobe (or any other Professional Photography company) would associate themselves with someone who behaves on the companies official forums like you do! You are aggressive in your tone and you are bullying people who have a different opinion to you. This is why I call you a troll. 

I, and probably many others here, were invited by Adobe Customer Service to drop in and give feedback on Adobe Camera RAW's latest update, since we were unhappy with it. By joining this forum, I see that MANY others share the same issues that I do.

These feedback forums are designed to give Adobe feedback on how to move forward with their products in the future. I will be surprised if they have not seen the comments made on here over the past 4 weeks and be working on some sort of compromise between the latest version and the version of yesteryear that many people here (and myself) are very much attached to. 

It would not make any business sense for Adobe to ignore such a large push back from its user base. 


Now, I maybe very wrong, you might not be a troll and you have very good intentions being here. That is fine. But as someone who is associated with Adobe maybe you should show more leadership in your approach. Rather than knocking down someone who has a perfectly acceptable opinion which happens to be different to yours, why not actively encourage the discussion between people. 

It is perfectly fine to have a different view to everyone else. It is perfectly fine to state that you like the new ACR in these discussions (along with anyone else). But you are definitely the most active user in these discussions, and you're not helping to promote the discussions to the topic.

If you love the update so much, get a discussion going in another thread about the good things about it and the things Adobe got right!

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Andrew, I cannot honestly believe that Adobe (or any other Professional Photography company) would associate themselves with someone who behaves on the companies official forums like you do! You are aggressive in your tone and you are bullying people who have a different opinion to you. This is why I call you a troll. 

I, and probably many others here, were invited by Adobe Customer Service to drop in and give feedback on Adobe Camera RAW's latest update, since we were unhappy with it. By joining this forum, I see that MANY others share the same issues that I do.

These feedback forums are designed to give Adobe feedback on how to move forward with their products in the future. I will be surprised if they have not seen the comments made on here over the past 4 weeks and be working on some sort of compromise between the latest version and the version of yesteryear that many people here (and myself) are very much attached to. 

It would not make any business sense for Adobe to ignore such a large push back from its user base. 


Now, I maybe very wrong, you might not be a troll and you have very good intentions being here. That is fine. But as someone who is associated with Adobe maybe you should show more leadership in your approach. Rather than knocking down someone who has a perfectly acceptable opinion which happens to be different to yours, why not actively encourage the discussion between people. 

It is perfectly fine to have a different view to everyone else. It is perfectly fine to state that you like the new ACR in these discussions (along with anyone else). But you are definitely the most active user in these discussions, and you're not helping to promote the discussions to the topic.

If you love the update so much, get a discussion going in another thread about the good things about it and the things Adobe got right!

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Well said Ash - I agree 100% with all points.

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Believe what ever you want Billy.
Believe what ever you want Billy.

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As do I.--@Ash

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Why do I have in my mind the image of Andrew typing into a typewriter in a deserted alpine hotel, pages and pages of "Believe what ever you want Billy."

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Redrum Redrum Redrum Redrum Redrum Redrum Redrum Redrum Redrum 

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Andrew what is it with the snide, bitter little quotes?  If you cannot be helpful with what is a genuine problem maybe keep quiet?

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Hi Ash, I remember you from the B4 group......yes Mr Rodney loves to make himself look important hence the "quotations"....

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That would be my question for Andrew, too.  He keeps talking about how many are happy with 12.13 but I have no idea why.  I don't see their names and I am pretty sure they don't handle the high number of photographs I sometimes take for events. I am not happy nor are in this forum .  Some people are happy with sugar corn pops for breakfast, too.  I want my steak and eggs and crispy home fries and orange juice.  In other words, I want the version of ACR I had before this upscrew.  And I don.t give a damn what Josh Billings said about intelligence. 

I have no idea if Andrew is a professional photographer or not, but, if he is, I'm certain he works on smaller jobs than I do if he's happy with ACR 12,13.

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The key point is, you have no idea. And that's fine that you don't share the posted opinions of others who are happy with the new GUI. 
If you want an idea about my profession, which is fully transparent, do go ahead and look (it's been posted earlier and maybe you missed it, you can ask and I'll direct your attention to it again). You'll save yourself much time getting facts instead of guessing and assuming about others. 
I'm certain your assumptions about my profession and how much I work on jobs in ACR is an assumption (I have no idea if Andrew is a professional photographer or not). We are in total agreement, you have no idea. But you can ask if you really want to know..... 

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I looked at some links, Andrew, and I saw that you've been working with Adobe software - and offer classes - but I did not see a link to your portfolio, no weddings, etc.  If you'd post it again, I'd be grateful. 

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I did not see a link to your portfolio
If you'd post it again, I'd be grateful. 

So you saw NO images or web galleries on my web site? And yet, they exist. 

Further:
http://www.photo.net/361342

Further still:

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Anything taken/sold professionally this decade? Or the previous decade?  (Books, testing training and advice not included)

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Yes Ash.
Now indeed, it's been awhile since I shot a national ad for a Fortune 50 company like below, how about you sir? Do provide a client list!
Next question ?

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Ha, well that certainly speaks for itself doesn't it?   Well done!  Obviously now I am suitably impressed!   Alas my client list does not go back that far (I was at school), but there are 125,000+ images that have been presented to clients over the last decade + on my website since I became full - time photographer, plus 35,000+ wedding photos, plus many thousands of other work on my gallery.   Pretty much every single one was processed with ACR. 


  www.AshMills.com   @ashmillsphotography on Instagram. 

I'm not going to name drop really, but photography pays my bills, keeps my cars running and my kids at school.  

(Before I was a photographer by trade I worked in film and TV behind the camera and then also as a film editor, including sadly only one film that premiered at Leicester Sq. (Terrible film!)  

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Ohh. I do have a lens (300mm 2.8) that photographed the 1984 Olympics, there you go, we share some history.

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Alas my client list does not go back that far .... I'm not going to name drop
It is thus far, non existent. 
I recognize that, and when I was shooting national ads, annual reports and editorial, long before ACR or Photoshop existed, you may have still been in pre-school. I am getting old. 

Instagram; VERY impressive.... 

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Ohh. I do have a lens (300mm 2.8) that photographed the 1984 Olympics, there you go, we share some history.

But only one of us actually spent 7 months shooting for the LAOOC and was only one of 50 photographers who had full access to every venue, then sold (at a nice profit) those images to Tony Stone (you're probably way too young to know about that company.  

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I am not that young.  I don't need to willy wave with you about your clients from LONG LONG ago.  Dig through my website for the clients I am allowed to share.  https://www.ashmills.com/clients   Most of my clients are fairly local at the moment, as I have two young kids, and I got tired of long (film) shoots away.

You are slightly (ahem) missing the point, in fact you are reinforcing mine.  Photographers working day in day out, right now, use ACR and liked it before you messed with it.  Listen to us and stop trying to enforce some kind of superiority over us.  You will earn some respect that way, rather than shedding it by the bucket load.  

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You don't want and would not care for my opinion of your work or clients so let's not go there.
Photographers use lots of products including and excluding ACR. Day in and out. You have made your single personal opinion of the new build of ACR clear. Not all agree. Hopefully, this fact isn't a new concept for you. We can agree to disagree. Meanwhile one of us will continue to assist others. The other can continue to complain.

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I agree with Ash. So we can take him out of the single person opinion category. 

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I agree with Ash. So we can take him out of the single person opinion category. 

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The reason I did not feel you were/are? a professional photographer, Andrew, is that you are not conducting yourself professionally in this forum.
I did, however, look more carefully at the photographs you linked to and realized why we're not communicating about the change to ACR: you photographs, for the most part, are posed, taken in studios with excellent lighting, etc.  Some are quite good - and were taken in 1984, 36 years ago.
I am very impressed by your list of clients.
So here's the 'however'.  
However...what I did not see were pictures of weddings, music events, demonstrations, or sports events.  While I have a studio, I seldom use it.  Studio portraits for me are just too static.  Until the photo world moved into the digital age, I had never used a motor drive since film costs can be quite and manipulating all those negatives (and positives - I shot Ektachrome which I bought in bulk and hand-rolled) to keep those costs down.  In the digital age, I realized how shooting multiple digital frames can catch moments I would probably not have seen otherwise.  This is particularly useful for fast, unpredictable sports like roller derby.  At events, when I ask people to pose, a group of, say, five, it is almost always the case that out of, say, five pictures taken in a second, someone will have her/his eyes close or otherwise have a strange look or be gazing off into the distance.
   The point is that I take a lot of pictures because I can, because there no financial penalties attached to takeing too many.  
   I was surprised that you wrote you couldn't imagine why anyone would take 300 images.  That's perfectly normal for me since so much in a volatile situation like a sports event - with two teams of fast-skating women, for instance - is unpredictable.  Roller derbies are often in venues with terrible lighting.  I'm not posing one or two skaters and adjusting front, back, and fill-in lights to correct the lighting.  Again, I'm not in a studio and I have no way to control the lighting except with a fill-in flash with controllable intensity and diffusion or an on-the-flash gel.  If I'm not photographing outside of the venue, I will have more-or-less the same light for each of those 300 photographs and I can correct all of those 300 pictures easily with ACR - and make other corrections if necessary.  And with ACR 12.12.1 I can do all of this quickly and easily, particularly if I've saved an earlier profile of another bout in that venue.  It's easy, it's fast, it's the way I've been working for years - why would I want to work any other way?  The fact that you can't imagine working that way is your choice and of no interest to me since I do next to no studio work.  Happily with RAW and xml files, I can select a subgroup of those files and make further corrections if I need to. 
And the bride and groom want those pictures as quickly as I can get them online as do the skaters and the musicians and the cross-country or motor-racing participants.  And the edits are non-destructive.  It's easy to rate those photos and put them into separate subfolders if I want.   Wedding photographers like krista will understand this need for speed as will others.
   Ash was talking about a speed test - measuring how long it takes to process the same number of exposures in ACR and how long in Lightroom.  He was certain he would win the contest as am I.  ACR is simpler and sleeker.  LR has always been clunky and slow. I can't think of a reason in the world why I would need a database.  I keep my files in a logical order by a filenaming system which works for me and folders and subfolders which are easy to understand.  I use databases in other places, but I don't need them to track my photographs.  And I've written complex databases, starting way, way back with dBase, moving to Access, then to SQL-based online databases for complex online applications.  I have nothing against databases - I love them, in fact - but not for keeping track of photos.
   
    

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” I was surprised that you wrote you couldn't imagine why anyone would take 300 images. ”
I never said that! I'm surprised you assume I did! Do attempt to read what was actually written, not what you assume was. 

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Andrew is an old man stuck firmly in his ways.....he's also a protected species on these forums. Adobe must owe him something....

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Andrew is an old man stuck firmly in his ways.....he's also a protected species on these forums. Adobe must owe him something....

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I am not taking you seriously nor taking what you say personally because I am quite certain I am not the first person to tell you that you are not getting what you want.

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Ditto Jerry since you need to say and hear everything twice.

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Here is the comment I was referring to, Andrew - from 6 days ago:
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Andrew Rodney profile pictureAndrew Rodney commented on a reply to this problem:Camera Raw 12.3: I absolutely hate the new UI, anyone else with me?
I would use a much better tool for processing 300 images, one designed for that task. Not that I can fathom applying the same edit to 300 images but again, there's a far, far better tool for mass editing many images.  
Try opening 300 30mb TIFFs into Photoshop to do whatever. Then maybe you'll see too, there's a far better tool for such a task, also from Adobe, also provided WITH Photoshop. 

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Indeed, PROCESSING and TAKING 300 photo's not at all the same thing. 

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If I take photos (RAW/NEF) I will process them and that I can do easily and quickly with Bridge and ACR 12.2.1.  In what way is Photoshop better?  I don't take photos I don't intend to process.  Do you and, if so, why? 

So when you say that Photoshop is designed for that process. tell me how it is better than the Bridge / ACR process. 

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I answered that question days ago. Please read more carefully.

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In other words, you can't answer my question. 

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In other words you can’t read. You’ve already proven that what I’ve written you miss read and misunderstood. Go back and read what I wrote several days ago about another Adobe product far better at processing 300 images!

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I believe you were peddling Lightroom Classic for this task. I have tried that, and find the way I work ACR to be quicker and more efficient.

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I’m not peddling anything. Lightroom comes with Photoshop use it don’t use it I don’t care. By the way I don’t like to eat beets

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Can you be any more vague? When is 'several days' ago and what is the other Adobe product which is far better at processing 300 images?  
Why not just tell me that it's 'Product X' and you wrote your opinion of how good it is on such and such a day?  You're the one making the assertion, ergo, I should take your word for it?  Is there anywhere besides your mind which backs up your theory about this unnamed product?
Additionally, why would I want to switch to another product  when Bridge / ACR is already easy and fast to work with?  
The correct word, by the way, is 'misread', not 'miss read'.  

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Ok, you were strongly recommending Lightroom against ACR. I stand by my claim that ACR is quicker.

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For you; stand by YOUR claim.
Maybe you can aid Lucian by explaining the difference between shooting and processing 300 images and the difference between Photoshop and Lightroom because he is having difficulty parsing my writings.
Of course, that is ALL my fault despite the fact you seem to have partially understood it but called it ”peddling”.

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Lucian, Ash who is at least paying attention can help you. Maybe....

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Have you taken Ash's speed test yet, Andrew?

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Have you taken Ash's speed test yet, Andrew?
"If you want a wise answer, ask a reasonable question." -Johann von Goethe

I could ask Lucian, have you figured out the difference between shooting 300 images and processing 300 images? Or the difference between ACR (that's Adobe Camera Raw), Photoshop and Lightroom? But those questions, like yours above, is pointless and you will misread (and miss-read) and misunderstand them if our history here is any indication. 

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Then your answer is 'no' because it's a reasonable question. 

(Incidentally, in proper English, 'questions' is a plural noun - you can tell by the 's' at the end of the word if you're wondering how I know that - which means that where you have written 'is' you should have written 'are' if you want to write correct English.)

Why are you always quoting other people?

Is a quote from Josh Billings on the same level as one from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe?  Do you have no thoughts of your own?

But enough.  I've already gone way past my tolerance for people who waste my time - which means you.  I'm very glad that in the process I've met some good, smart, reasonable pro shooters here.

I'm off everyone - #StaySafe!. I'll respond to anyone other than Andrew Rodney is you want to contact me. 

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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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You're a child, Andrew.  You remind me of our presidunce.  
I'll be on the forum, will just not respond to you after this post. 

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First:

I'll respond to anyone other than Andrew Rodney is you want to contact me. 
Then:
You're a child, Andrew.  You remind me of our presidunce.  I'll be on the forum, will just not respond to you after this post. 
Presidunce? is you want to contact me? 

You're not even reading and comprehending your own writings. 
Please, stick to your guns, don't respond. 

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Andrew, you are not helping here. Go for a nice walk in some woods, or I guess round your way some desert. Take water, and a hat.

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Thanks Ash. Just got back from walking the dogs. Only logged 8 miles today.

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PS "Presidunce" makes perfect sense, but I can't talk we have a Prime Idiot in charge here too.

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Well Ash, in the US, we lost 1000 people in the last 24 hours from Covid-19. And I'm pretty sure why it's so high so we are in some agreement here. Point is, with the state of things, the ACR interface is small beans. 

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I suspect they are trying to get people off ACR.

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Now do tell us why they would try to do so?
There ARE those who really like the new version, as hard as it may for some to believe. What's that old saying about opinions (and everyone having one....

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Sorry but I do not believe ANYONE could work faster on the new version than the old one, especially with 500 images to process.  I challenge ANYONE to race me.  Yes it looks a bit prettier, and if you are gently doing one image casually then that's great for you, but ACR was a workhorse (in the same way as Bridge is.)    This UI cannot ever fit the screen, you ALWAYS have to use dropdowns, sub-dropdowns etc!   (Rotate to Landscape, oh yes, hide that away, nice)     They would try to do this to slimline the programs they need to fix, instead of paralleling progress on LR, LR Classic and Bridge/ACR.  I am hoping this is an early version of a customisable interface like Photoshop - it certainly works and feels like a Beta version.  

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"I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't so." -Josh Billings
Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.

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"Intelligence is the ability..." = Eye roll

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Intelligence is *not* the ability to change.  That's an absurd statement. 

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""I honestly believe it is better to know nothing than to know what ain't so." - Josh Billings
Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change."

Sou you're saying its ok to spend 5 hours in a work that you used 2 hours to finish, just because they need you to learn from scratch how to manually do the things. And after learn, you have to do again. (see my post below)

Did you use ACR? used the previous and the newest?

Instead of a good UI they stole our time.

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Yes. I did.

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Then you are in the wrong place, defending the wrong cause. You should just not say anything, once you're not someone from adobe, you should just quit. This isn't of your concern.

You sound like a kid that want to have voice in others people decisions. Just leave this cause, boy.

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Request denied.

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Andrew, genuine question, were you involved in testing 12.3?  Asking because you seem so protective of it.

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Mr Rodney must be an Adobe employee.....can't find any other reason why his snidy comments are so apologetic.....

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Mr Rodney must be an Adobe employee.....can't find any other reason why his snidy comments are so apologetic.....

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Yes I was Ash.
No I'm not Jerry (assuming again).
No I'm not Jerry (assuming again)*
Next question?

* Don’t repeat yourself. It’s not only repetitive, it’s redundant, and people have heard it before." -Daniel Handler

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Andrew,  as you were involved I hope you have the ability to pass and act upon on actual users feedback, as opposed to the (no doubt scientifically wonderful) "updates."   The repetition of comments appears to be another Adobe "feature."   

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The ”repetition feature” is one Jerry seems to favor .

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Maybe stop saying "You can always revert.." to the better previous version then?

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When the question is asked by new posters, the answer is the same. Maybe people should not ask the same questions over and over again but they do. And they deserve the same and correct answer!

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Thank you for again demonstrating that "over and over again" people have a  problem with the "new and improved" ACR.  Hopefully someone with some clout at Adobe will start to try and solve the actual problem, rather than "ditch the new car, we recommend using the old one."

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You are most welcome to learn people have problems. Now what will they do about it? With respect to ACR:
1. Move forward, learn to adapt, use the new product, maybe wait on what they find improvements; my NDA does not allow further discussion of what's coming. 
2. Revert to the last version. I've explained to multiple people who've asked, multiple times how to do this and to also revert Bridge IF they use that too.
3. Move to another product.
 
Then there's the option you and other's have continued to do; bitch and moan. 
By my count, in this thread alone, you've posted 13 times. You've ignored 1-2 and 3 above. With all that time, you could have resolved your issues but instead, you seem to have an agenda of posting off topic. Unlike some of us here attempting to explain the options and HOW to do so. Hence, this really rings true:

"Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining". -Mason Cooley