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Tue, Jun 16, 2020 4:44 PM

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Camera Raw 12.3: How to revert UI to older version, one with vertical filmstrip?

after updating photoshop , when i opened it for the first time there was option to use camera raw as it is (vertical film) or to change it to new UI (with new look and horizontal filmstrip ), i just clicked new UI to see how it looks , i thought if i dont like it i will just go back to using older UI but there is no option to select older UI , i contacted adobe but person who was helping me just suggested that i should install older version of camera raw or ask for help from this forum , i found it bit frustrating that if there was simple option to choose new UI so why not give option to revert back to older UI with newly updated software. maybe its bug or adobe forcing people to use new UI even if they dont like it

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784 Points

5 months ago

During my Raw Photography trainings, people are surprised why I will cover Bridge, Camera Raw, and then Lightroom. “You"ll see...” I tell them. 
  1. When I have finished a day of shooting, I copy first all the photos in a folder on the Desktop. 
  2. Then I make a first selection in Bridge with stars and labels. Why I need to add hundreds of files in Lightroom's database if it is to remove 90% at the end?
  3. Then I edit all my photos in Camera Raw, simply because the UI is faster.
  4. Sometimes I do a roundtrip in Photoshop.
  5. Then, when I have finished developing, I apply metadata. 
  6. Finally, I add everything in Lightroom just for the archive. 
This is the moment where I show them how to develop in Lightroom.

After a few exercices, I ask them:
— “Where do you prefer to develop? In Camera Raw or in Lightroom?”
— My attendees say “Camera RAW”.
— Me: “Why?” 
Attendees: “More efficient, easier UI.”

We are talking here about the tabbed horizontal set of features organized by categories. 

There you go Adobe. 

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2.1K Points

Photoshop is far better than Lr....

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300 Points

5 months ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled ACR 12.3! Please give users the option to revert back to the previous layout!.

The worst layout ever! Why don't Adobe staff consult users??
Please revert the layout back to how it was or give users the option to toggle between the two!
It's a disgrace and makes the workflow harder!!
Stupidity at it's best!

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142 Points

5 months ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Please go back to the former UI in RAW 12.3!.

The way I used to work in RAW is totally gone with the new 12.3 version. Please please please use the former UI for this new version. Then I can find everything quick again for my workflow. Now I have to search, click, click, click etc. I temporarry are back in 12.2.1 that works fine!!

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988 Points

5 months ago

So, after countless hours of fumbling with 12.3, and attempting to revert with the illusion of success, only to find lost thumbnails after reboot,  I've finally gotten my workflow back by dropping ACR back to 12.2.1 and also reverting Bridge back one iteration to 10.0.4.157 ... After system reboot all is well! Please Adobe: listen to your power users, acknowledge the monumental fail of 12.3, and fix it!! I will be monitoring these forums for an acceptable fix before ever allowing another version upgrade to Bridge or ACR. After well over a decade of use it would sadden me to have to abandon Adobe but I'll not be forced into such a backwards move.

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2.9K Points

My thoughts exactly.

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194 Points

5 months ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Adobe Camera Raw 12.3.

Why did Adobe change the ACR user interface to the cluttered and inefficient Lightroom Develop Module style?

More clicks and moving around the screen with this "improved" user interface.  I can see how Lightroom users would like this, but those of use that use Bridge / ACR tend to find it clunky and less efficient that the old interface. 

It would be nice to have an option for the old style user interface. Far more white space, larger font and larger controls made sense. 

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784 Points

5 months ago

Put back the old UI and throw away the latest one as it's the perfect example of what not to do in UX/UI. 
Before you even definitively erase the code and assets of this UI, make some souvenir screenshots to use them for a course about failed UX/UIs.

Thank you.

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980 Points

branislavmilic let's hope Adobe restores the better GUI. I think many users are like myself they purchased the yearly subscription to the Photography bundle for $119 only for the use of Photoshop and ACR through Bridge instead of the standalone Photoshop yearly subscription of $239.

This is so tragic of a direction Adobe is taking I may just give up photography.

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This is so tragic of a direction Adobe is taking I may just give up photography.
Seriously? 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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980 Points

Sad but true. Fortunately I can live without photography as an option.

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Fred Baxter:  That would be like forsaking eating because you didn't like the farmer down the road...

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So with all the many options out there, you'd rather give up photography because a company chose a UI that is not to your liking? I guess Adobe made you got into photography in the first place. If that's the case, farewell. If you do love photography, then many options exist. 

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Well I suppose photography isn't very important OR Fred doesn't know there are many other options for processing raw files. Whatever.... 
The only thing complaining does is convince other people that you are not in control.” Anonymous

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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Andrew Rodney: I like that quote!

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Sad but true. Fortunately I can live without photography as an option.
Not sad at all considering photography meant that little to you.

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980 Points

The other options out there are 10 times worse than Adobes modern UI in ACR 12.3. I am certain I can live without photography.

Look if you are happy with an interface that functions like you are shopping online at Walmart or Target and Best Buy then you are tinkled pink with the new ACR UI.

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Fred Baxter:  No matter where you go, there will always be change. Those that adapt and evolve are survivors, those that do not....

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You're confusing me even more.. if the other options are 10 times worse, then why are you complaining about something that's 10 times better? And again, if editing your pics are that paramount, then photography wasn't for you in the first place as it seems like the carriage is carrying the horse. 

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It appears that our Andrew loves to use quotations to justify his rather nasty demeanor against fellow forum members.
It's a pity there is no block or ignore feature so we don't have to read comments that provide zero value to any such topic.


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2.1K Points

It appears that our Andrew loves to use quotations to justify his rather nasty demeanor against fellow forum members.
It's a pity there is no block or ignore feature so we don't have to read comments that provide zero value to any such topic.


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194 Points

5 months ago

I'm pleased to see that I can get ACR 12.2 back and that the same user interface is also shown when calling up the Camera Raw Filter.  

My main concern is that this will only be a temporary solution as once I upgrade my camera, only the newer version of ACR will support the newer camera body.  Hopefully there will be a better, long term fix.

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No, you'll simply have to download an updated DNG converter and use the old version.
But better would be for all the camera manufacturers to STOP making proprietary raw files with ever new camera release. Not necessary and only causes customers and people coding raw converters (ALL companies not just Adobe) to have to update their software to understand tiny changes from the last camera released. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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980 Points

Manfred Mueller you can always either shot DNG files straight from the camera if you can or convert any brand RAW file to DNG for continued use of the better GUI ACR. Older versions of ACR will see DNG files.

What is sad is how the icon bar has room for more icons at least three. I always wondered what new features and functionality those future icons might bring. Instead it was replaced with an exponential amount of added mouse click scroll mouse click user actions.

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2.1K Points

Perhaps, Andrew you can lobby all the camera makers? You could be useful then.

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652 Points

5 months ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Major Camera Raw issues.

I have used the new Photoshop and Camera Raw for the first time in anger today at a football match. I was really looking forward to using the version but, it's actually not as user friendly as I was hoping. I much prefer the old version.

Now, it has crashed and I cannot get it working. I urgently need to remove it and install an older version.

How can I remove Ps and ACR and install the previous version? 


Thanks for your help

 

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I urgently need to remove it and install an older version.
It's found here:
https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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784 Points

You need also to reverse back Bridge. In the Adobe Creative Cloud Desktop app, click on the three dots in the Bridge box > Other versions > and download 10.0.4.

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10.4K Points

5 months ago

Jon: MUCH has already been written on this forum about this topic. I suggest doing a search on the top of the Photoshop Family page, try various ways to phrase it; you will get answers quickly that way.

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10.4K Points

5 months ago

Here is a link to an excellent two hour long class on the changes made in 21.2 / other parts of Adobe's June update. It is by Ben Wilmore, who is an excellent instructor. I think that review of this material might be helpful for understanding the changes wrought in that Update, many of which have apparently caused considerable anguish!

https://mastersacademy.com/course/june2020updates/

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718 Points

It appears you need to be a member to view the video.

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It is well worth the price. What did you pay for text books in school? Were they free?

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Mine were free Dave......

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5 months ago

Reposting so there are specific rollback instructions on each page of this growing thread...

HOW TO ROLLBACK ACR 12.2 TO 12.2.1

  1. Download the Adobe Camera Raw 12.2.1 installer here: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-in-installer.html
  2. Run the installer (you can uninstall 12.3 if you like, but shouldn't need to)
Some have been able to use the latest release of Adobe Bridge (10.1) with ACR 12.2.1. Others, including me, found that Bridge 10.1 was a little wonky once ACR was rolled back. 

(Maybe a restart would help, or maybe you want to mess with getting them working together. I just wanted to be back in business again so I rolled back both apps.)


So here's how to rollback Adobe Bridge to the previous release as well...

  1. Open Creative Cloud on your computer
  2. Scroll down to Adobe Bridge
  3. Click the "3 little dots" next to the (Open) button
  4. Click "Other Versions"
  5. Under "Older Versions" find "Bridge (10.0.4)" and click "Install"
That should put you squarely back into your preferred workflow with Bridge and ACR both running the last known "good" release.

Remember not to "Update All" with the next round of releases :-) 

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1.2K Points

5 months ago

Interesting how criticisms on other boards - specifically replies to Adobe's hired gun "bloggers" - are being blocked and removed, while the authors (pretty much to a person) say absolutely NOTHING about the problems that are creating a tidal wave of backlash against Adobe for the ACR 12.3 debacle.

Strangely enough, I've found quite a few ACR 12.3 "preview" articles on the web, but NONE of them (that I can find) gave any type of "heads up" on the UI and workflow problems. Rather, and quite coincidentally, it seems ALL of the pre-release information is basically the same, and extremely similar to Adobe's official release information. 

Sure, I get it... the hired guns and sponsored gurus are just towing the line, regurgitating paid propaganda and cashing their checks. But real "photography" sites and bloggers should be ashamed of themselves for NOT being independent, reliable voices in the market.

I'm a single individual and working designer / photographer, paying a lot of money for the Adobe Creative Cloud subscription. I have a right to be VERY MAD about being blind-sided like this by a software company that I literally depend upon for my livelihood.

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784 Points

Because the usual Freelance Adobe Evangelists are
1. Not real life user of ACR
2. Sellouts.

If they dare to say something contrary or negative about an Adobe app, they will not receive all the advantages linked to their status.

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784 Points

You are so right. A few years ago I was this kind of freelance Adobe Evangelists for InDesign. I decided to quit just because my dignity and honesty were at stake. Adobe was making a lot of bad decisions for InDesign and the overall attitude of the company started to piss me off. I was an exception, many submitted to Adobe just to keep some advantages.

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16.8K Points

Some of you are apparently new here. Adobe has a LONG history of making UI changes that upset everyone and their brother.

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988 Points

David Converse: New here (not at all new to Adobe) simply because this change has created off-the-charts upset/pissed off reaction, infinitely more than those previous you mention.

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Adobe does have a long history. Of changing GUI and other areas of the software.
Learn to use the new methods or revert to the older version; move on. Those are the only two options that are effective other than complaining which will get you NOWHERE.
Pre-Release spent a lot of time making suggestions about the GUI. LONG before anyone here posted their opinions. The ship has sailed. 

As to so called 'off the charts pissed off reactions, easy to cherry pick reactions praising the GUI. 

"Complainers change their complaints, but they never reduce the amount of time spent in complaining". -Mason Cooley

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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300 Points

Here we go again....Rodders and his quotes......must be a bot.

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988 Points

Andrew Rodney: "Those are the only two options" -- No, fortunately this is not true, as the free market provides other options. As an extensive user of Topaz PS plugins (and decades-long user of Adobe PS), I for one have been tempted in the past to move to the free Topaz Studio (one of the few viable options that include layers, which I an a heavy user of in PS). Up to now the only thing stopping me from making the switch is the time required for the learning curve to develop the proficient work flow that I have developed with Bridge/ACR. For now, I have reverted to prior Bridge/ACR versions, but this is only a temporary fix. If Adobe fails to listen to the outcry of disgust with this new version, and forces that same time-intensive learning curve to try to regain proficiency with their new UI, I have absolutely no problem using that time to learn the Topaz system and cancel the Adobe subscription.

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Yes Alan you can use another product (hence ”move on”).

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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I use some of the Topaz products. The only thing is that Topaz Support will ignore help requests worse than my cat ignores requests... I gave up on Topaz support; if I cannot figure out something myself, I just move on...

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Kevin Layman the strangest thing with the third party sites pushing this new ACR UI are the comments respondents are saying how great that ACR is now like LightRoom that they can stop using LightRoom altogether. Adobe unwittingly are killing the use of LightRoom.

Who should really be upset are people with standalone Photoshop subscriptions. They clearly wanted nothing to do with LightRoom. I only started a yearly Photography subscription in 2019 as the bundle included the use of Photoshop and ACR. The only reason I installed LightRoom was to turn off some feature LightRoom Adobe was sending me emails about and the only way to deactivate the settings was to install it. Before 2019 I had been using CS4 for with a 10 year old ACR.

I have been using Bridge and ACR to manage and edit image files since the very first release. Over the years I have looked at a lot of other software to do those things but none are as efficient and productive as a combination as Bridge and ACR including LightRoom.

It's not a matter of learning the new way in the new UX it is a matter of accepting less productive, inefficiencies and more time consuming. The new modern UX Adobe is giving ACR is a cookie cutter consumer based internet webpage layout. It has nothing what so ever to do with a practical GUI for professionals.

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Kevin Layman the strangest thing with the third party sites pushing this new ACR UI are the comments respondents are saying how great that ACR is now like LightRoom that they can stop using LightRoom altogether. Adobe unwittingly are killing the use of LightRoom.

Who should really be upset are people with standalone Photoshop subscriptions. They clearly wanted nothing to do with LightRoom. I only started a yearly Photography subscription in 2019 as the bundle included the use of Photoshop and ACR. The only reason I installed LightRoom was to turn off some feature LightRoom Adobe was sending me emails about and the only way to deactivate the settings was to install it. Before 2019 I had been using CS4 for with a 10 year old ACR.

I have been using Bridge and ACR to manage and edit image files since the very first release. Over the years I have looked at a lot of other software to do those things but none are as efficient and productive as a combination as Bridge and ACR including LightRoom.

It's not a matter of learning the new way in the new UX it is a matter of accepting less productive, inefficiencies and more time consuming. The new modern UX Adobe is giving ACR is a cookie cutter consumer based internet webpage layout. It has nothing what so ever to do with a practical GUI for professionals.

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980 Points

Sorry for the repost but the forum software messed up when I tried to edit to correct Kevin's name to Lynam.

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2.1K Points

Andrew Rodney must be an Adobe employee. I have never seen anyone defend the company so much.....

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Andrew Rodney must be an Adobe employee. I have never seen anyone defend the company so much.....

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21.6K Points

Another assumption; no.
“Untested assumptions and lazy habits of thought can be shown up, once put in a spotlight of a different hue.“
-Julian Baggini

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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2.1K Points

It appears that our Andrew loves to use quotations to justify his rather nasty demeanor against fellow forum members.
It's a pity there is no block or ignore feature so we don't have to read comments that provide zero value to any such topic.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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5 months ago

Conspiracy theory / millennial "entitlement generation"  sort of thinking. Change, DOES HAPPEN and one must keep up, not just bitch about it

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5 months ago

Has anyone noticed the mouse scroll wheel for sizing the spot removal tool and local adjustment brush in the new UI is counter to what is 'normal'. Rotating the wheel forward/backward decreases/increases the size, which is opposite to what Lightroom Classic does and every other program I've ever used! Scrolling the image vertically is also back to front! Simply dreadful QA.

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5 months ago

WHy does Jeff Tranberry ignore the questions from users who are totally fed up and stressed from using the new ACR 12.3?

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104K Points

Adobe US is currently on shutdown, he's not supposed to be checking in here at all.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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I'll chime in here and point out that I only targeted my question towards Jeff as he was marked as "Official Response" and was the Adobe representative in the thread. Adobe US being on Shutdown is a perfectly reasonable reason for a delayed reply. So thank you for the information Victoria.

Despite a few forum trolls and alot of moaning, there is actually some very good feedback in this thread particularly from branislavmilic, who I think pretty much nailed it on the head as to what people are upset about when it comes to the UI and menu design. 

It would just be nice to hear Adobe acknowledge the feedback and they're going to tender to our needs. 

Not wanting to become another one of the moaners (or trolls), I'm going to chime out of the thread.

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Jeff and the ACR team heard all kinds of debate about this months ago from pre-release.
We don't always get what we want.

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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Welcome to the Corporate World!  I bailed out of a Fortune 500 firm in 1979 because I realized that I would never be any good at "The Hindlick Maneuver"

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Nothing but vain excuses.......go bankrupt Adobe.....