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Thu, Sep 12, 2019 11:47 PM

Adobe Camera Raw 11.4 Crop Orientation

The latest update to Adobe Camera Raw (11.4.0.273) has re-introduced a workflow problem that Adobe corrected years ago.

 

When a range of images with mixed orientations (portrait and landscape) are selected and a crop applied to them (or sync with crop selected), they are now all cropped to the same orientation of the first image.

 

Until this recent update, applying a crop to multiple images respected the orientation of the images - i.e. landscape images were cropped landscape and portrait images were cropped portrait. This makes sense and was a major advancement when introduced years ago but it has now been reverted back.

 

In my workflow as a professional photographer processing hundreds of images at a time with mixed orientations, the first step I do when processing a set of images in ACR is apply a 2:3 crop (the native aspect ration of the photos) with ‘Constrain to image’ selected to the full area of all images (simply [Ctrl]+[A] to select all and drag a crop around the whole of the first image). This is necessary so that if any manual Transform adjustments are applied to an image, the crop is adjusted to fit the image and no blank areas remain at the edges

 

A ‘Constrain to image’ crop may not be required for auto transformation corrections as ACR adjusts the scale to constrain to the image but I rarely use them as the AI’s best-guess is more often wrong than right.

 

I also often apply a crop to all images that covers around 80% of the centre of the images. This is because I will often intentionally shoot around 20% wider than the ideal crop. This allows for more cropping options (for marketing and editorial work), safeguards against a subject suddenly moving out of frame (i.e. when shooting live dance performances), flexibility in perspective corrections, etc. (and is one of the advantages of shooting on high megapixel cameras).

 

So again, in this workflow, the crop needs to respect the original orientation of the images.

 

I can think of no workflow situation where cropping all images, landscape and portrait, to the same orientation would be advantageous. Images are shot in different orientations for a reason.

 

Adobe, please correct this back ASAP.

 

Or at least give the users an option in the preferences to ‘Respect Orientation when Cropping’.


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2 y ago

This is not a bug but specifically designed for "better" synchronization of multiple images.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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534 Points

2 y ago

in what universe?

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2 y ago

In the universe that Adobe exists: again this is as designed by Adobe and not a bug!

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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534 Points

2 y ago

I know, I still can't believe it is by design

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2 y ago

What's interesting is that LR 8.4 respects the image orientation when syncing the Crop. It also uses Camera Raw 11.4 so it's gotta be a bug!

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2 y ago

Not according to joshuabury (on the Adobe ACR Team).

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Then why does it only happen inside PS with the ACR 11.4 plugin and NOT inside LR 8.4 with its ACR 11.4 plugin. Below is a 4x5 crop applied in LR 8.4 using Sync. Try a Crop Sync inside LR 8.4 with mixed portrait and landscape files and tell me what you see. I'm on Windows 10. Perhaps its different for OS X, but I doubt it!

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Why? The two don't yet match the NEW BEHAVIOR.
Again: this is not an ACR bug. It IS by design.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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OK, I did a search here on 'Camera Raw 11.4 Crop' and found numerous posts with some stating as you have mentioned. The overall consensus is negative with no reason given by Adobe as to WHY this was done and WHAT real benefit, if any,  it provides! I sincerely hope Adobe doesn't apply the same change to LR Classic's crop behavior!

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If you’re a beta you can see the reasons adobe did this. If you’re not a beta I’m not privy to copy and paste the teams response as to why they did this.The facts again are, this is not a bug. It is by design. That answers the OP’s question.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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I checked the ACR prerelease site and see what you're talking about concerning this change. Perhaps Adobe could add another option check box to the ACR 'Crop' sync settings to 'Respect Orientation.' That would fulfill the going forward preference and allow users to manually select the old behavior.

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534 Points

Or at least be able to sync no crop again without needing to do it one one...it's crazy.

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2 y ago

Same here. It was better before. This method slows down production.