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380 Points

Thu, Jul 23, 2020 7:25 PM

Please bring back the crop tool that doesn't change to 2/3 after each photo

I have not move to LR, mainly due to the crop tool not being able to be set and left. Now they have migrated ACR to the same thing. Is there a fix where I can set the ratio and leave it like I have for the last 15 years? Is there a work around I am unaware of and if not, could your developers please fix it back?

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2 months ago

Are those Whippets? 
What do you mean by "crop tool not being able to be set and left"? 
At least in LR, you can copy and paste a crop, is that what you wish to do? 

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They are :) I show them and they rule my house :D  I don't know about copy and paste a crop. I want it to default to the aspect I choose and not have to fool with it

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I'm on my fourth Whippet (after one, you're done). 

The current two boys in White Sands.

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Truth isn't it???? Where did you get them? The whippet world is a small one :D

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My kids and dogs 

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Waguy, the bigger one (8) is from Solaris (Pam Magette) and the baby (Pi Dough not yet 3) is from Nickeroo (Nicky Granville).
My wife is a member of North American Whippets on FB. I don't do FB.

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2 months ago

No, read the post- this is the new LR inspired “feature” that forgets the custom crop setting - crucial for many people, including those that work full time in 16:9 for cinema.

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ACR can save the crop to be used on other images. Just like LR can. 

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Could you explain how? I cannot see how to set to be a default throughout my photos

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There's a number of ways to save the crop in either product, depending on what you want. You can do a "Copy Settings" and then "Paste Settings: if you have a number of images selected. This can be done from the filmstrip clicking on the three little dots.

You can also do a "Save Settings" as a Preset and call it up at any time using a similar GUI. If you only wanted the Crop, you'd probably select first "None" then just click on the "Crop" check box, give the preset a name then recall it whenever you wanted it. You can even save this out as XMP to load but a preset is probably better (XMP would be useful for saving across multiple computers). 

With the Preset, you could have just this crop but you could have a crop and any of the other settings built there too as seen below where I have crop and geometry in one preset. 



You could probably save the crop as a new raw default but I don't think I'd go that route. I'd prefer to start without a crop, then paste or set a preset depending on the need, edit that from there if necessary. But that should allow a 'default' though out all photo's. 

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I believe you are missing the point.  OP wants the default crop to remember the setting you had last time you used it.  Like "LegacyACR" does.  

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Yes!!!

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2 months ago

I like Andrew's suggestions but I think it would be nice to have a lock on the Crop tool as well. Copying the Crop to the a group when editing a lot (hundreds or thousands) of event pictures it is nice and then whip thru them only changing it on some. Imagine a thousand images of triathlon bikers, all centered in the frame, and all needing to be uploaded immediately for sale. It would save a lot of time.

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Well that is just a copy and paste of settings, which is not a new thing.

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2 months ago

Julie, can you specify exactly what you did in the past and what isn't working for you now as I'm not sure I explained it to the top engineer who wrote me this:

” I don't understand what they are requesting be sticky. Currently the crop always defaults to whatever the camera set it to, usually "wide open", and not locked to a specific aspect ratio. For unlocked aspect ratio crops, the "don't change aspect ratio when dragging lock icon" IS sticky.”

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In the past, I had my crop tool set to 11x14 300dpi and it stayed at that. That crop has been the most 'average' ratio that I could use for both aesthetic and later prints without losing too much. 2/3 is too long for most of what I print and that is the current default and I see no way of setting it a default as I did for the last 15 years.  Now, I must reset after each photo and you just cannot judiciously batch crop.  Am I explaining it well or is it a fuzzy answer?

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I'm still not 100% clear but this is what I just sent to the top guy on ACR, let me know if that's accurate:

 Here's what she is requesting (below) and indeed, if you move to a NEW image after unlocking and setting the crop ratio, not only doesn't the crop stick to that, selecting Custom again (which I don't think she wants) defaults back to full frame, isn't sticky. I believe she is saying in the past (?) the crop didn't even need to be dragged, it stuck to the last applied. 

If I go into an image and select 8x11 ratio, and the lock is therefore on, and if I then open yet another image thereafter, the default is "Custom" and 'full frame". I think the request is that the last used custom crop be held over although I can see issues with that too. 

Further, If I pick a ratio, one supplied or one I make using Custom, If I open a new image, and move from the first "Custom" to a Custom I made, this provides what I think she wants. There are two Custom menu items which may be part of the confession. Certainly for me as I see the upper menu has three options: As shot, Original and Custom. On my end, Custom is always the default opening all new images. But it's Custom, fill frame, not a Custom I last picked or saved. 
Couple things too. First, the part about 300PPI isn't pertinent and one controls this tag with the workflow settings (for PPI, color space etc). 

I've made a custom crop as seen below by putting in 11x14 as a ratio. I can now select this every time I open a new image and I get this ratio. Yes, that may be an extra step (selecting my own Custom each time). I've suggested to Thomas maybe that be sticky. But there are issues with this as well; some users may not want it every  time:

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Yes, this is accurate. I'd like it to stay like this until it is changed by me, which, I do sometimes but that is usually recropped to the final image size in PS. The main thing is, for me to have the control of the crop vs PS defaulting it back to the image size(2/3) after every crop. Before this change, that is how it was. I set the default and it only changed when I went in and changed it

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Since this checkbox seems to be the new convention, why not just add it? Check to automatically set the crop to the full image, uncheck to keep the last-used crop ratio.


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I downloaded 12.1 for a reality check. 
If one selects a custom crop (shown above, 11x14 but older UI), then selects another image, the default is sticky:



I believe this is what Julie is asking for. 

If I do the same with the new version, I see Custom but there is no check mark nor is 11x14 selected:



I've asked but I suspect THIS IS A BUG. And if so, it will be fixed. 
IF by design, I'm asking why. 

You can see Custom has a check box, not As Short or Original. I believe not only should the check box be set to Custom but a custom setting should be used and have a check box next to it. Hence, it seems like a bug.... 

Stay tuned.

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2 months ago

https://youtu.be/VBtaJ9WL15A  This is a quick video on what is happening. It used to be I set the crop tool ratio and left it. It is not possible now. If I am doing this wrong, and there is a trick I am missing. I am very thankful for this dialogue! 

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This is a quick video on what is happening.  is a trick I am missing.

Select all images in the filmstrip you've opened (On Mac, Command A) then apply the custom crop, they will all be affected by it. 
But again, what I describe above, the differences in 12.1 and current seems like a bug. 

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That will have to do for now.  My OCD gets bothered by looking at a crop that has cropped off stuff until I fix it lol. 

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Well it's not a bug, the new behavior is as planned:

Part of the new crop logic is there is always a crop.   We no longer have the concept of "no crop", just "wide open crops".  So the state where the crop is locked to some specific aspect ratio but the image is still not cropped no longer exists.
One suggestion for this user is to just select all the images in the filmstrip and pick whatever aspect ratio she wants.  Then pick the images one by one and adjust the already locked aspect ratio crops for the specific image content.

What might be better is the Select All, crop one trick I mentioned above. 

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Well, that sucks :(

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“We no longer have the concept of “no crop”” What the actual **** is that supposed to mean?