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1.3K Points

Sun, Jul 24, 2011 4:40 PM

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Photoshop: Support scalable user interface UI for high resolution monitors

I'm using a high resolution monitor(2560x1600). As a result, all the the toolbar fonts and menu fonts are small and hard to see. I do not want to lower the screen resolution as this would defeat the purpose of this monitor.. Will the new CS6 have the ability to increase font sizes to accommidate Hi-Res monitors?

Thanks

Ron Acevedo

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5 Messages

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174 Points

8 years ago

I am new to Photoshop Elements. Unfortunately, I am also very nearsighted and unable to easily see the tiny icons and text. Is there a way to make the images larger? Many thanks.,

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Too Small to See.

88 Messages

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1.9K Points

8 years ago

With current monitors that have around 100 ppi the current interface is not a problem (for people with normal vision).

However; on the next generation monitors (like Apple's "retina") starting to push almost 300 ppi Adobe must be prepared to make adjustments.

The interface will have to be truly scaleable, or (probably easier/better) have preset sizes to choose from (double and triple the current size).

2 Messages

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166 Points

8 years ago

It is already a huge problem.

Photoshop is a costly design program for professionals, meaning that most of it's users already have high resolution monitors now. I do not require any glasse and my vision is perfect, but after even 2 hours on Photoshop my eyes are starting to hurt.

88 Messages

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1.9K Points

I'm not convinced by your argument, but by the time CS7 comes it will be noticeable. Monitors above 200 ppi will become more common. Hopefully Adobe will put some effort into this.

-- A bit off-topic addressing your eyes:

To make sure we mean the same by "resolution". What is the actual ppi of your monitor? (number of pixels across / width of monitor in inches).

A typical 1920x1200 24" monitor is ~94 ppi.
Apple's 27" Thunderbolt display (2560x1440) is 109 ppi.
Professionals won't have much higher resolution than that on their main monitor (and I assume they don't work off a laptop screen).

Unless your monitor has a significantly higher ppi than this (like the Macbook Pro with retina display - 220 ppi) then the resolution should not be the cause of your pain. There are many other factors that contribute to eye strain.

Good lighting is essential (and NO sunlight), as well as a monitor brightness (and temperature) to match your surroundings (if you monitor brightness is maxed, something is not right). I believe overly bright monitors is a common issue.

Another question is viewing distance and how much you concentrate on the monitor. Look off into the distance now and then to let your eye muscles relax. - And check your eyesight to really make sure that glasses won't help.
Not blinking enough is also a known problem when working on a monitor. Eyes get dry - and start to hurt. Remember to blink and take breaks.

(I've had my share of eye pains...)

37 Messages

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606 Points

The Adobe UI is way too small for today’s graphics workstation monitors and it is not scalable to meet users' needs as well. There is no defense for not fixing the problem except for more weasel words.

7 Messages

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254 Points

I am quite tired of hearing arguments that support the ignored scaling issue. I have a Dell 27" HD monitor AND a cintiq 24 HD, the software loads a large scalable interface that is STILL TOO SMALL TO WORK WITH!!!!!! HELLO!!!!

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414 Points

8 years ago

C'mon, Adobe. These responses are more than just a few disillusioned Photoshop users. With all those unique algorithms you design, surely you can give us a menu we can read. Please.

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254 Points

8 years ago

I am quite tired of hearing arguments that support the ignored scaling issue. I have a Dell 27" HD monitor AND a cintiq 24 HD, the software loads a large scalable interface that is STILL TOO SMALL TO WORK WITH!!!!!! HELLO!!!! I cant sit here and believe any excuses why it should be ok to use when a current version of Photoshop Elements has a large enough scalable interface, I tried it, it looked great on my Dell 27 inch HD , so WHY NOT DO THAT ON CS6 PHOTOSHOP EXTENDED etc., etc.,.....I'm sorry, but whatever the code, instructions, or data needed for a professional app needs, you mean you cant look at Elements and comp that in the build for CS6? Its totally possible, they know it. Now they should work on an update that works for our type of HD monitors that have a 2560 x 1440 display whether its a 94, 109, or 220ppi resolutions. There are different contexts which decsribe resolution and we need to adhere to all of them or at least the pixel count in heighth and width and then ppi...
Check out the image below, just to give you an idea of scale, I took a picture w my iPhone of my Cintiq 24 HD and my hand right up on the screen. Doesnt it look like the tool bar icons are too damn small,..it would be nice to set them as large as the panel options are as large in the Layers panel, for example...

So, to sum up the most important facts, if Elements can do it on my 27 inch Dell why not Photoshop CS6, if the panels have options to increase their size, why cant the tool bar icons or the menus.

Adobe, please heare me, I truly rely on this app and its paint tools and I dont want to spend time learning others.

Thank you.

88 Messages

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1.9K Points

I think we all agree here. Adobe should consider people with poor eyesight - as well as the new generation of high ppi monitors. OS X Lion and Windows 7 have already taken steps in this direction; now the individual programs should follow.

The creative suite has about 20 programs in it, and it's probably no small task to make all the interfaces scale well. That being said they should have enough time to get this done before CS7 (by then it will probably become a big issue).
I don't expect us to hear anything else from Adobe until then (~1-2 years).

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The monitors you mention (27" @ 2560x1440 = 109 ppi) are quite normal today. Judging by the hand you hold up as well, this looks perfectly normal (not only for Photoshop but for all programs). If you can't read the menus in Photoshop on this monitor you will also have trouble in most other programs as well as on websites (unless you enlarge them). The UI font size in Photoshop is actually the same as text on this website. This is not something to yell about.

So, today's UI on your current monitor should not be a problem (assuming you don't use VGA). If it is hard to read you are sitting too far from the monitor (or you have poor eyesight).

Ps: PPI of the monitor and view distance is what matters here. Monitor size in cm and pixels is just useful for calculating the resulting ppi.

37 Messages

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606 Points

8 years ago

This Adobe UI Issue remains unaddressed after twelve months since first identified here; and in the meantime, a new issue of software has been released with the same problem as well. Ostridge Adobe still has its head in the sand and continues to claim that the sun is not shining while the beach gets hotter and hotter.

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1.9K Points

Since it says "under consideration", and the only Adobe reply is that they can't comment on specifics regards to future versions. We will just have to hope that this means that they are working on it.

37 Messages

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606 Points

It is not a new version issue; it is basic functionality issue that should have been addressed by a bug-fix, a long time ago! No, we don't have to "hope" for anything! Our option is to deal with the learning curve and move on to other software. If you guys and gals explored this option, you would discover that Adobe has done you a favor by not supporting its products in an appropriate and timely fashion. Earlier I posted some of these alternatives here. They were, off course, immediately redacted.

9 Messages

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414 Points

I'd like to see Adobe provide a free fix of some kind, but don't expect that will happen.
In any case I still like the software very much, especially the new ACR.

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172 Points

8 years ago

The fixed-size icons of the tool panel do not make good use of the space available on large, modern screens. On my screen, the column of icons extends only halfway down. More flexibility here might allow either (a) larger icons for easier visibility (my first choice), or (b) more icons, so that functions whose icon-sharing is not obvious (e.g., Eyedropper & Notes) would be separate.

More radically, the tool panel might be user-configurable, like the tool bars of MS Office.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
icons in tool panel.

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100 Points

8 years ago

Kinda funny but Photoshop is supposed to be the Ultimate in Photo and Graphic manipulation but something as basic as changing it's own Font size is made impossible Go figure I wanted to purchase CS6 but it is un unusable in the current state LARGER TOOLS Duh Corel here I come

8 Messages

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294 Points

8 years ago

I came to the forum to find out how to make the icons, text, and nodes bigger in CS6, and stumbled upon this thread. I bought a new higher end laptop, the screen is 17.3 with a 1920x1080 rez and I almost have my face on the screen trying to see everything. The nodes in Illustrator are microscopic, and the menu type is fixed size so that no matter what I set my text to be in windows (right now at 125%), nothing in CS6 pays any attention. I do not wear glasses, and though my near sight is a little foggy at 45, I see pretty well. I don't have a problem with any other software so far. Adobe, you need to address this.

I honestly can't for the life of me figure out why the laptop industry thinks we have to have HD on such small screens, but that is the case. There is only one manufacturer who has 17.3 at 1600x900, and I figure that will go away as well, because the tech industry pokes fun at them. (As if they know what we all want)
But I digress.

I paid hundreds (thousands) of dollars for software that gives me a migraine. Please Adobe, let us size the interface larger or smaller for what is comfortable. Even your website has text that is waaaaaaay to small on my monitor. Apparently, your fixed type size also does not care what I set my computer for. :( I think this is bad form.

2 Messages

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110 Points

8 years ago

I've been an elements user for years. I finally saved enough to buy its big brother and now I can't read it. Same goes for Lightroom. By the looks of this forum there's no solution forthcoming. Guess I'll have to move to two screens (hi res and lo res) or maybe decamp to Corel. Hey, Adobe, the grey market's growing and you'll be missing out.

15.1K Messages

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195.8K Points

Notice the part at the top that says "under consideration"?
And did you miss the announcements of Retina display support?

2 Messages

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110 Points

8 years ago

Notice the part at the top that says "under consideration"?

I did. Unfortunately this offers me no comfort

.And did you miss the announcements of Retina display support?

I did. But it's my retina that needs support.

Thanks for the interest though.

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152 Points

8 years ago

I'm soooo behind the times! I just purchased Photoshop CS6 a few weeks ago, but I discovered this thread because I'm trying to find out if there is a way to increase the size of the UI in general and the Rulers in particular.

Like others, my vision isn't what it used to be, but the CS6 UI is really tiny!!! I need this fixed in this version, because I'm getting old and it's the last version I will be able to buy, unless I win the lottery :~)

37 Messages

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606 Points

Love is Blind. One of your options is to migrate to free or less expensive software; and instead, your pocketbook will be loving it while you deal with a learning curve you can see.

6 Messages

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152 Points

Ha ha ha, William :~) And according to Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber, Love Never Dies, so there :~)

It's little too late now for me to "migrate" to other software, as I've been using Photoshop, Illustrator and PageMaker/InDesign since the early 1990s, so the only "learning curve" for me is the UI :~) I do this for fun anyway, not for profit~~it's just avery expensive hobby :~) But thank you for your concern and your suggestions!

37 Messages

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606 Points

According to Sarah Brightman, it moves on. Adobe is counting on your reluctance to do the same.

6 Messages

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152 Points

Oh, you are quite a card, William :~) Why would Adobe count on my (or anyone else's for that matter) reluctance to move on? No offense, but that makes no sense :~/ It has nothing to do with reluctance, at least for me.

37 Messages

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606 Points

Huh? Card or not, if Adobe was losing product sales (market share) and receiving lots of product returns (Increased Cost of Sales), as their customer base "moved on", they would have fixed the subject problem a long time ago. It’s a "walk the walk" vs. “talk the talk" state of “love” affairs.

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170 Points

8 years ago

I'm one of those 'aging' designers Adobe expects to change their careers, if they can't read the CS-n menu's anymore. A year ago I had a new high-res 24 inch monitor. Sent it back because I could not find any way to adjust fontsize and user interface in my CS4. Now I'm still working on my old CRT screen hoping for better days.
I want to have a CHOICE.
I want to adjust my workspace the way I like. Even my chair has more options than Adobe' s "Creative" Suite.
I want to choose menucolors, fontsizes, screensizes, resolutions, dotpitches, aspect ratio's etc. etc.
I don't play games or watch DVD's on my monitor screen. I design books and websites and that is my JOB.
I want to work for at least 8 hours a day with all the CS software without getting headaches and eyestrain.
Machines and software are supposed to serve ME, not the other way around.

Time to check out alternatives. If there are any.

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136 Points

I agree. I can't see the small type in Photoshop and there is no way to adjust it. Adobe needs to respect their customers more and make this correction.

37 Messages

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606 Points

8 years ago

Hi IJ,
Here is one of many sources for what you are looking for:

http://www.maclife.com/article/featur...

Regards, WHG

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102 Points

8 years ago

I am in my 50's my eyesight is not improving, for the sake of us dinosaurs, maybe your product might install a visual font size preference in the future. Thank you for the trial offer but quite honestly it's given me a headache!

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Eyesight isn't getting any better; Dinosaurs complain!.