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Fri, May 10, 2019 2:32 PM

Not a problem

Older versions of Creative Cloud apps no longer available for download

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175 Messages

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a year ago

Neither link worked for me.  Said "Page not found"

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a year ago

Of course the two links ran together. Copy and paste.

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a year ago

That is too bad because either I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong (it wasn't before) or why PS is "broken". Good Luck! 

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a year ago

What does this mean, if anything, for the perpetual  LR Classic 6.14 which is not a CC product?

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Absolutely nothing avpman, it only affects subscriptions.

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a year ago

"What does this mean, if anything, for the perpetual  LR Classic 6.14 which is not a CC product?"

According to this Adobe announcement, LR Classic 6.14 continues to be an "authorized version" (the announcement says "6.1.4", but almost certainly that's a typo). 

My CC desktop app shows that it is still available for download, and it is also still available for download from here: https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/creative-cloud-previous-version-apps-download.html (The CC desktop app manages older versions of LR even if they were perpetually licensed rather than subscription-licensed.)

However, LR 4 and 5 are no longer available from that download page. They're probably still available for download from third-party sites (Google for them). 

This smells like a result of the licensing dispute between Dolby and Adobe. The announcement said, 

"Please be aware that if you continue to use or deploy the older, unauthorized versions of Creative Cloud, you will not have third-party claim coverage pursuant to your contract with Adobe. Should you continue to use or deploy these unauthorized versions, you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties."

Perhaps that means that the Dolby license for older versions of LR 6 and for LR 5 and 4 has expired or is being legally disputed, and Adobe is warning users that they could be sued by Dolby if they continue to use the products.  Just an educated guess, though -- it's unlikely Adobe marketers and suits will disclose any details.

In a help article published 4/2/2019, Adobe announces that Creative Cloud apps are now using native OS support for decoding Dolby audio and no longer provide the capability for encoding such.  The date of this article is suspiciously close to the date mentioned in the announcement: " CC 6.[14] downloaded after 03/13/2019".  Looks like they patched the 6.14 download for some reason (e.g. to remove Dolby technology).



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I'll put out there right now that there will be lawsuits over this. Adobe has deep pockets and is a big target. Whose rights take primacy- the customers who paid for a product in good faith, or the intellectual rights holder who (presumably) settled with Adobe and required this?

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> customers who paid for a product in good faith

Customers who paid for a product still have their product exactly as they did before. Nothing's changed for perpetual licenses.

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a year ago

Just so we're all on the same page... it's now a potential legal liability for businesses to run older versions of Adobe software?

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Yes anything older than the two most recent creative cloud versions is now "unauthorized" and you must uninstall it at once. Also applies to anyone running adobe software, not just businesses.

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That's what Adobe's memo says: "Should you continue to use or deploy these unauthorized versions, you [organizations with a contract] may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties." Who knows the actual likelihood of those third parties pursuing legal action...

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a year ago

Note that this issue only covers older  versions of Creative Cloud (i.e. subscription) applications. All perpetual versions of Lightroom (6, 5, etc.) continue to be authorized.

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a year ago

The Adobe announcement explicitly says that "Lightroom Classic"  "CC 8, CC 7, CC 6.1.4 [sic] downloaded after 03/13/2019" are authorized, while "CC 6, CC 5, and CC 4" are unauthorized

It's sadly amusing Adobe's employees can't get their own product naming straight. Obviously, there was no Lightroom Classic CC 6 / 5 / 4. There was Lightroom CC 2015 (versions 1 - 12, subscription), Lightroom 6 (versions 1 - 14, perpetual), Lightroom 5 (perpetual), and Lightroom 4 (perpetual). 

But the intended meaning is clear that the following Lightroom versions are unauthorized: CC 2015 (all versions, 1 - 12), 6.13 and earlier, 5, and 4.  Accordingly, these versions can no longer be downloaded from adobe.com or the CC desktop app.  But 6.14, Classic CC 7, and Classic CC 8 remain authorized and can still be downloaded.



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also to note, i'm seeing only the latest version of PsCC (v20) as being installable...

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a year ago

Whoever wrote these does not have experience with Lightroom. There wasn't a CC (i.e. subscription) version of 4, but there was  a CC version of 5.7 and as you say, Johan, the CC version of 6 isn't called CC 6, it's CC 2015.... so this table should say  that "CC 5, CC 2015.1-CC 2015.13 and CC 2015.14 downloaded before 3/13/19" are not authorized - or at least that is my interpretation of the intent.

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But I will double-check on what the true intent is.

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LR CC 2015 (subscription) only had versions 1 - 12.  LR 6 (perpetual) had versions 1 - 14.  So it doesn't make sense to say "CC 2015.14 downloaded before 3/13/19" -- they must be referring to 6.14 (perpetual).

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Also, Lightroom 5 was offered in two versions, the Creative Cloud version (part of the Creative Cloud subscription) and the perpetual version. Adobe called both "Lightroom 5".  E.g. see Hogarty's blog post: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html?red=a&tduid=c50e2ac889a1c6acb759e006d4d4c5ae&url=https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html. The "CC" didn't appear in Lightroom naming until CC 2015.

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I myself have Lightroom CC 2015.14, so I can confidently say that it exists. I left a question with Jeff on this so that we can get the official word on what really is unauthorized.

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Oh, I didn't realize that the 6.13 and 6.14 updates could also be applied to CC 2015.  CC 7.0 was released 10/18/17, and 2015.13 / 6.13 on 10/26/17.

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a year ago

Just to confirm what Laura said, perpetual licenses are all still authorized exactly as before. This change only affects subscriptions.

For perpetual license owners, your existing installs are fine. If you need to reinstall, only the latest Lightroom perpetual (6.14) is still available on the public download pages, although customer services have access to earlier versions. If you purchased direct from Adobe, the download links may also show in your account under Order History.

For subscribers, if you're on LR Classic 7 or later, you don't need to do anything. If you're on CC 2015.14 or earlier and can't upgrade to LR Classic, then uninstall, and reinstall 2015.14 from the CC app (currently showing as 6.0, but really 2015.14/6.14) to remain perfectly above board. If you choose not to bother, all that scary legalize is Adobe removing themselves from legal responsibility as they've declared it unauthorized.

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Obviously, it's incumbent upon Adobe to clarify exactly what they intended to communicate and to withdraw any previous misstatements.

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a year ago

More highly ambiguous communication from Adobe: This person received an email from Adobe warning him that "Lightroom Classic: 6.12" is discontinued and that continued use would put him at "risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties".  See here for his copy of the email:
https://forums.adobe.com/message/11069470#11069470


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Still a subscriber, just got an old version installed. Uninstalling the old one he’s no longer using puts him entirely above board.

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For anyone who is confused by "Lightroom Classic 6.12", what your program would really indicate is "Lightroom CC 2015.12".