Camera Raw 12.3: Crop tool is unusable

What you are not grasping is that those that are very happy would remain happy if those that were not happy were given the option of turning on the legacy-style crop, legacy tab buttons, retro-zoom behaviour options.  Those that are not happy are really very unhappy indeed, but we are not advocating making those that are very happy any less happy.  Everyone would be happier.  Well, except those who persist in insisting that software evolution is a one way street.

Who is insisting that software evolution is a one way street?

The team designing the software is evolving on their street.

You mostly- when you say things like  “your options - revert, learn the new way, move to alternative software or keep complaining”  

I don’t see “persuade the software company to add legacy workflow options” 

You mostly- when you say things like  “your options - revert, learn the new way, move to alternative software or keep complaining”

More assumptions. The statement about a one way street, never made. 

Thank goodness that my old laptop with Bridge 2017 & Camera Raw installed was recently returned. I had 500 plus NEF files to process after Saturday's cricket game. Would still be working on them if attempting to use the updated Camera Raw cropping tool. Agree that it is like trying to draw with a pencil, by moving the paper instead of the pencil. Cheers from Aus.

What is extraordinary? 

 For all of us who spend hundreds of times more hours in ACR 

Andrew - once again your comments do not contribute to the root of this thread.

As you know I and others have chosen for the time being to revert.  It has been your (and others) worthwhile contribution to the problems we have had with 12.3.

We choose to keep complaining because we are now using outdated and potentially unsecured software that would gradually become incompatible. 

We hope for change, because it makes a real difference to our working lives.  

For me 30 seconds extra cropping/scrolling/clicking per photo could add 84 hours of extra work per year for me, I'm willing to spend a few hours trying to push the boulder off course by a few inches to one side for that.

I do not believe that to complain is useless, if I always get my food served cold I would keep complaining too, louder and louder till someone that matters heard me.

I agree. The change to the cropping tool is like putting your pen on a piece of paper, and then moving the paper to write your message while the pen stays stationary. 

In terms of getting Adobe developers to see these comments, I've been told by Rikk (an Adobe Administrator) "Even more effective would be to hit the voting arrows on the left side of the original post. That count ties directly into our bug/feature tracking." I'm not seeing those voting arrows in this post, but here's another post with the same cropping suggestion that you can vote on: https://feedback.photoshop.com/conversations/camera-raw-and-dng/cropping-behavior-in-adobe-camera-raw/5f95f2084833934b896f122c?commentId=5f9982456880ca356d037a2b&replyId=5f99832a6880ca356d037a37. 

Also of course moving the image is far more jarring to the eyes and presumably harder work for the GPU/CPU too - I find the crop tool sluggish when it was smooth before.    Why is it that this software/plugin can be slow with operation on things like cropping/cloning for a single image whereas Ps has no such issue, even though PS might have 50 layers and a huge composition going?  Surely a bit of love could be given to make ACR run better rather than adding wizzy new interfaces.

@Keith_Nisly That is the best explanation of the new crop feature I've heard.  Cropping has been done the old way forever.  I don't see why this change is intuitive for anyone.  I am a sports photographer, and I edit hundreds of images at a time, and this just slows the process down to where it's unusable.  I also don't see why it would be that challenging to add the old code into a new release, and then give the option on which crop interface to use, similar to the different grid options.

Some seem to like the new cropping method, some, like myself, like the old method and find the new one unusable.  What I find pointless is attacking users in the other camp.  What on earth can be so difficult for Adobe's programmers to allow users to choose the crop method?  Not as though they need to invent the wheel, just re-bolt the old one. 

@habs3335, thanks. Yeah, it's just awkward - the opposite of what Adobe products are supposed to be. And legacy options are available in other Adobe products like Photoshop, and InDesign which I use frequently. I have not updated Photoshop and InDesign to the latest versions, partly because I'm afraid I'll lose those options for legacy (or classic) features. I can still crop in Photoshop the classic way, so I'm wanting Adobe to make this an option for ACR also. Maybe I should ask someone from Adobe to respond to this request by writing their answer on a piece of paper by holding the pen still and moving the paper. 

Excellent points Keith.