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Lightroom: Relative Develop Presets would save the day!

Lightroom--I would love to see relative presets as opposed to only absolute presets. For example, I may want to add +10 of yellow in Temperature to what ever setting exists and not a static number.

This would be great for white balancing where pleasing color is preferable over accurate color. I may want to white balance a set of pictures and add +10 of yellow to warm things up.

I find a lot of presets aren’t useful in my workflow, but a relative color temp/tint would be.

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Reid
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  • I'd go for this as it as you can do base corrections of groups of images, which you can then apply presets that then do not simply override the individual corrections of things like exposure and white balance if used as part of the preset.
    Could be a huge timesaver.
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  • I’m excited
    I use the relative adjustments in Library all the time, and I'd love to see them extended to many of the other develop settings. Perhaps that would be easier to code than an entirely new class of presets alongside the existing preset architecture.
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  • I implemented DevAdjust to support relative presets. Its modal (plugin) nature is somewhat alleviated by having preset keystroke menu shortcuts (Windows only) and "hot metadata" preset selection (all platforms). I'm not saying its as good as a native solution would be, but it may tide you over...
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  • Please, let's keep promotion of plug-ins out of here, Rob. There's been enough of it in the other forum! If you want to help someone, track them down via their profile.
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  • It's a bit like the family dog - much as we all love him we do get rather fed up with him insisting on leaving his scent every 5 yards. It drives the cats away.
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  • At least it isn't the rabid dog who used to fill the PS forums with his temper tantrums.
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  • I'd love it and I requested it since LR 2. Some high end grading apps for film and video got versions of it long time ago.
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    I wonder whether once people start to think of applying a relative adjustment, they may want to apply these not only with a special kind of a preset, but also with (for example) AutoSync across multiple images that are selected. So a separate kind of Autosync might put you into a new mode where when you move the tint +2 from where it was before, all the other images get +2 tint compared to where each individually was before.

    However, as I see it there are many commands where the "proportionality" may need some attention - or in some cases may not even make any practical sense - regardless whether we are working directly or by preset.

    For example: a relative adjustment may be recorded from one image, which happens to take the Blacks from 3 down to 2. Then this is applied to another image which currently has a Blacks value of 9. In order to feel we are making the SAME relative adjustment to that, is it better to apply the same numerical change; the same percentage change; a nonlinear change of some kind that has been designed to have a similarly strong perceptual effect; or something else?

    RP
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    • There is a need for both types of adjustments - relative and absolute. Take white balance adjustments for example. I.E. I'll adjust a group of wedding photos to have the same "look" Depending on lighting and camera settings there are times when dialing in a white balance of 5000k on one photo will look the same as a white balance of 4500k on a different photo. Obviously sometimes it's nice to quickly dial in a white balance of the same nominal value, say 5500k for a group of photos. Other times, I just want to warm up a group of photos. Some of these photos might be at 3500K, 5500K and 6500K but I want them all to look "warmer" being able to bump each one up by 500K would save TONS of time.

      Also, having the ability to take a group of photos that I've previously edited with exposure adjustments (some are +.5, -.3, +1.0 etc)... to take that group of photos and relatively brighten them up from where they currently are... brighten all photos by 1/2 stop, would be a huge time saver.
    • All that I would need would be a little tickbox next to the autosync button to choose relative or absolute.
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    I use Camera RAW in CS5 and would like relative adjustments as well as relative preset capability added to ACR and Lightroom. I would like this for all 11 parameters in the basic panel of Camera RAW. This would speed up adjusting images. I would make presets that allow me to increase or decrease each parameter by a fixed delta. Some of these would include adjusting multiple parameters at the same time like this example - increase contrast by 20 units and decrease saturation by 5 units.
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  • Noise reduction in the shadows, midtones and highlights with different values (good for those noisy shadows with cameras that have good read noise but low DR so it wont kill detail in the midtones and highlights (there is a retouch tool but its tedious to use it in all shadows you want). This is for lightroom 4 beta.
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    Way back in LR 1x, I was asking for the Crop tool to be moved into the Library module, since I mainly need to do quick relative adjustments (mostly exposure, temperature, tint, and fill light), plus crops, and the sliders are considerably slower for those adjustments. I met a couple of key Adobe people at a tradeshow a few years back, and they assured me that moving Crop into the library module could never happen.

    More recently, I realized that since switching between modules is really what I'm objecting to, a better approach would be to have relative adjustment presets available as an option in the Develop module -- I posted to that effect about a year ago. Good to see some more support on that, especially since I wouldn't think it would be difficult to implement. Maybe just an overall switch in Preferences, or even better, being able to toggle between sliders and buttons for each adjustment. Make sense?
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    • I don't see how it's an extra step. Even if the crop tool was in the Library module, you would still have to enable it, which means clicking or typing something. Whether in your head you are changing modules or simply enabling a tool, it's still only one step. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for faster, I just don't see how it can be faster than one step...
    • Please re-read the second paragraph in my original post. I'm suggesting the option of relative adjustments in the Develop module. If those were enabled, I could stay in the Develop module and avoid the extra step and cumulative additional time of going back and forth between modules. Again, it may not seem like much, but it sure adds up over several hundred images at a time. As it is now, I must either constantly switch back and forth between modules, or make two passes through all the images, once in Library, and then again in Develop.

      Either way. whether the relative adjustments were an option in the Develop module (preferred), or if Crop was moved to the Library module, I would still be saving a great deal of time in the long run.
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    I asked for relative value adjustments in Auto-Sync here.

    http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

    There's certainly no need to restrict this behaviour to a preset
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  • btw - I'd even be happy with using a modifier, such as [ALT] to hold down to make slider movements relative in Auto-Sync mode. Surely that wouldn't take long to implement while a more comprehensive solution is developed
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  • Based on Adobe's response, I thought this was going to be in Lr4 - maybe it still is (?)
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    I can only hope for this to happen too. Relative develop Presets would make it so much easier to apply a Look from one Image to a bunch of others.

    Thanks,

    Aron
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  • It may be the case that "Blacks" and "Whites" adjustments are always relative in LR4. They seem to feature auto black point setting and auto highlight recovery so "0" appears to mean something different for every image. Any change from "0" is thus a relative change.

    AFAIC, such auto behaviour should be optional.

    I don't know whether "shadows" and "highlights" may also be regarded as relative adjustment sliders.
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  • Hello,

    My name is Vicente Alfonso, professional photographer from Spain.

    I ́m a Lightroom user since LR2.

    Well, I would like an option in wich I can add an adjustements sum not copy from others. I ́ll try to explain:

    When I ́m going to send a copy to the laboratory for print, I need to do same changes in all my photos, 5+ more red, 10+ more yellow, because of copy shows in paper the same colors than the monitor.

    In lightroom you can only copy the same adjustments than the other photo or preset, you can ́t add a sum and create a prest with that.

    For example: I would like a preset in wich colors option, adds 5 more red, 3 more green... etc. If I have a photo with +30 yellow, the presets would give me 35 in total. But now, If I do a copy from an adjusment from other photo or a preset, the preset give me a total number not a sum.

    I hope you can understand that I ́m trying to say. My english is not good.

    Regards,

    Vicente Alfonso,

    http://vicentealfonso.com

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  • Cookmarks supports relative presets via browser bookmarks - PV2012 fully supported.
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  • I would also like to see this as a preset. But you can switch to the Library module, select multiple images and apply the Quick Develop presets. Is that not almost as good?
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  • With soft proofing so well done in LR4, the value of Relative Adjustments in Develop makes more sense than ever. Think of the value of characterizing Changes in develop settings to, for example, print to a certain paper - and applying those changes to a series of files that will be printed to the printer/paper combination

    As to whether the Relative Adjustments should due done only as a Preset, or as a Sync Settings function, both approaches would have merit.

    John Caldwell
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    • w.r.t. relative presets in Lightroom: No.

      PS - Informing of plugin solutions is in case you want a workaround right now today. Adobe understands you are requesting native functionality.
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  • There is another workaround – You can apply relative settings now using the Graduated Filter local adjustment tool.

    Drag the Graduated Filter pin and guides off of the picture canvas (i.e. in the border area). which selects the entire image 100%. Make any combination of available adjustments using the Graduated filter panel and save as a Develop preset with only 'Graduated Filter' and perhaps 'Process Version' selected.

    The only potential down side is that this local adjustment will not be reflected in the global adjustment tools.

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    • What this buys you:

      * You can use amounts not supported by the quick-develop (e.g. exposure .1)
      * You can use adjustments not supported by the quick-develop, namely:
      * Noise
      * Moire
      * Defringe (new)
      * Color

      And of course you don't have to switch to library module to apply.

      Did I miss anything?

      Note: once global+local amounts exceed the global max, there will be diminishing returns when applying local adjustments.

      R
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  • Agreed. I would call this a "Quick & Dirty" method of applying relative adjustments in the Develop module, but it works.

    I would only suggest using it if you want to apply a "minor correction" to a set of images. You can also create an 'Undo Preset' with the opposite value(s).

    I don't know how many Gradient Filters you can use, but I applied three normal gradient tool adjustments to an image, then applied a relative preset, and its 'Undo' preset with no issues.
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  • CHAMP
    I’m a maniac!...
    Gazoo is another plugin which supports relative develop adjustments & presets.
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  • I’m frustrated
    LR5 beta still doesn't provide a way to do this. Disappointing.
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  • It is very disappointing. it's not a huge feature and would speed up workflow enormously for some of us users.
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  • Light 5 beta
    Would it be possible to add a feature in the develop module so that a differential adjustment.such as a change to the colour balance can be saved so as to enable one to apply it to an entire set of photos? I am aware of Julieanne Kost's work- round using the library module settings but these are too crude and inconvenient.

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