Photoshop: Why change the crop tool in CS6? How can I get the old behavior back?

Why did the crop method change? For so many years, cropping worked by moving the crop frame in the image. Now, you have to move the image around the crop frame. For those of us who actually came out of the darkroom, the new way is awkward. Why did it have to change?
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  • Just watched the video. All they did was add the H / W box, which we need, but there's nothing in that video about using a classic tool.
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  • Has the old behavior been brought back as an option? Please someone who uses the cloud thingy answer
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  • I’m amused
    The CS6 crop tool is one of the very few new features that is a definite improvement.
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    • I think its been a major mistake trying to get a professional tool to be amateur friendly when Elements all ready exists. I know many people who are now taking a second look at Adobe as we are all herded towards only having an online version available with monthly fees to use it. I'm far from convinced Adobe actually know where they are headed if they think designers and photographers will just sign up to the new dictates unless they truly believe herding cats is a winning formula. As far as I'm aware Adobe are just forcing people have a good look at any competition in the side wings that are waiting to come through - and all because having a weak gimmick of a crop tool was deemed more important than keeping one that got on with the job.
    • Chris Cox (Sr. Computer Scientist) June 11, 2013 17:43
      There is no "online version" -- Photoshop CC still works just like Photoshop CS6: on your local computer, even if you disconnect from the net for a while.
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  • I have figured out a way to use this new crop tool but I DO NOT LIKE IT... It has shot my workflow to bits and I think it is harder to get things done now.
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  • Chris, if we already have CS6, when will we have to buy the $20 a month cloud thing for photoshop by? When I get a new computer? I downloaded CS6 from Adobe.com. I'm confused as to how it works going forward.

    The last thing I remember was having to upgrade to CS6 or risk losing the upgrade price.
    • You can choose to subscribe to Creative Cloud when you'd like access to the latest features and all the add-on services that it provides. Until then, you can continue to use CS6. The only caveat is that at some point in the future you'll need to move to Creative Cloud to maintain compatibility with the latest OS upgrades (although we have stated that we will continue to sell and support CS6 for a while).
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  • @Mark (and Chris) I find myself in a more interesting position - having finally changed from a competing product to CS6 Extended I paid £900 for the product and now have a pay a monthly sub to get the updated version, but I could have had the same version right now for the same monthly outlay but without ever paying the £900. Hence I'm not signing on as a matter of principle, as it just seems wrong to take so much for so little - I would have got a discount if I had upgraded from CS6 to CS7 but this way the £900 is ignored, which seems strange (I'm not that bent out of shape over it, just not subscribing for the above reasons).

    BTW CS6 has a very annoying bug in the AWA filter and is killing my workflow way more than the crop tool, the latter just seeming a case of some bad design decisions to me. I do understand it is annoying others considerably more. I was certainly having a hard time cropping a tiny bit off the edge of some really huge images yesterday (which for some reason Photoshop had made bigger than I asked it to, strange that - I wanted 12000x7500 and got 12007 x 7504).
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  • I’m frustrated
    John, I don't blame you. Everybody wants your money every single month these days. We have the highest gas prices in the country here in Michigan. Taxes on everything are going up. Wages are going down.

    I'm on the edge as it is. And now I have to write a check for $240 every single year to Adobe? How long till Photo Mechanic pulls this?
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  • Living in the U.K. I see Americans mentioning their Petrol prices as more their showing off how cheap it is over there... my car takes 97 RON Unleaded which is currently somewhat over a fiver ($8) per US Gallon, still it was more expensive earlier in the year...

    Anyway, a bit off-topic so I'll stop there...
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  • Yes, our prices are relative to other parts of the world. Must be some heavy duty taxes in that $8 a gallon price. We're headed in your direction here in America, no question - going on 20 trillion in debt here. We're sunk. Cheap energy is the key to growth, yet the world wants to jack the prices up. It baffles me.

    My vehicle represents freedom, independence to me. It takes me to my photo jobs. I can't take a bus to my work. Soon I'll be driving a motorcycle because it'll be the only thing I can afford to drive.

    But the point is, all these new expenses (photoshop included) are really hurting in a time when the economic outlook is very bleak, especially in the photo / news industry.
    This is not off-topic. We are trying to make a living.
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  • @Chris - still looking for an answer to my question. Calling Adobe now and it says 15-minute hold time.
    Is there an explanation somewhere as to how all this is going to work?
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  • In general, I love photoshop, but these two big changes (crop tool and new subscriptions) are the problem to me. These are huge changes.

    If you subscribe to the creative cloud will the software still be on the computer? Or will it have to be accessed through an internet connection?
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  • Hi everyone,
    I would like to see how the crop tool looks like in Photoshop CC.
    I searched everywhere on youtube but in vain.
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  • I’m bewildered by Adobe's attitude towards their customers...
    OK.... I'm (reluctantly) a pre-release tester and I'm not sure exactly what I can say except for I've never been treated so rudely in my life by the other testers and maybe adobe folks... I don't know if these folks were employed by Adobe or not. I will not do pre-release testing again for Adobe. EVER.

    With Photoshop CC, the crop tool is WAY better than it was in CS6... which was a disaster for working photoshop professionals. It looks like they listened to us.

    This comment may get deleted... so rejoice while you can.
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    • And us Photoshop professionals are the ones getting milked!
    • Nolan, I'm not a cloud user so my cropping tool hasn't changed you would think that Adobe would take all the information that has been posted here and bring back the original cropping tool for all not just the cloud users. You are so lucky.
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  • Completely agree. I can't believe ANYONE who've actually used Photoshop before would like the new crop tool. It is absolutely the most horrible change you've ever made the way I see it. It doesn't work!!!
    Do us all a favor and bring back the old tool. Maybe change it more to what LR crop tool is, which is pretty cool.
    Anytime I need to re-size these days, I am cringing and going to LR4 to do it.
    After first few weeks of using CS6(when it came out) I actually wanted to switch back to CS5, that how dissatisfied I was with this joke of a tool - someone who used photoshop since Photoshop 4.

    Now, I'd LOOOOVE to hear from those people who actually suggested the change from the previous crop tool?
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  • This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Photoshop CS6 Crop Tool Behavior...Bad Dog!.


    Photoshop CS6 non-CC Crop Tool.

    As a long-term professional user (PS 2.5) I am somewhat dismayed by the new crop tool. Gone is the dimensions plus resolution tab so when a crop is finalized the file is ready for immediate use. Why should you need to open Image, Image Size to actually have the file at the required size and resolution? Did someone request this behavior? Was there a market study? Did some large group of users demand this change?

    Barry Rudick
    Aker Imaging
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  • The crop tool in the CC version is not fuctional or useful. I am a professional photographer and designer and I have not found this tool useful. Moreover, I have lost time in doing my work because the tool has not been practical. Please change this CC version feature back to the CS4 or CS5 version. Thank you.
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    • Also, just wanted to add something else so Adobe and see I don't want to crop my photo's to 1x1 or 2x3 ratio I want to know that it is a 5x7, 8x10 or whatever size I want not this stupid 1x1, if I want a 5x5 I will crop to a 5x5.
    • Veronica, did you notice how adobe deleted my post as to how to work with this new crop tool.
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  • I’m indifferent
    Looks like the only way Adobe may listen is when most users refuse to go to the Cloud, and wait for the company to start dropping its profits before it will have a rethink about updating CS6 without insisting that the solution lies in the Cloud!
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  • I’m mad
    From PC magazine:

    "We’re really listening to those customers who are telling us they need something different, and we’re taking our time because we want to come up with the right solutions for those customers that will make them love Creative Cloud and get them excited about it the way that 700,000 people are so far," Morris said.

    "but we are listening and flexible and open to tweaking things along the way to make it work for more people."

    Are you listening to the photographers that are telling you you ruined the crop tool?

    No. So it's BS. They should have said "take it or leave it, give us more money, you have no other place to go, we have a monopoly."
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  • It is true that future refinements to the Crop Tool are only being delivered to customers of Creative Cloud. That is not likely to change, but you can use the free trial to see if the Crop Tool in the latest version of Photoshop addresses your concerns.

    We believe that in the latest version of Photoshop CC, the Crop Tool should not be creating significant impediments to customer workflows. For those of you asking to have "the CS5 Crop Tool" back, please try this in Photoshop CC:

    1. Select "W x H x Resolution" in the popup on the left side of the options bar.
    2. Check "Use Classic Mode" under the gear icon flyout.

    This should make the Crop Tool behave much as it did in CS5, while also giving you the benefit of many of the enhancements made in CS6. Will it be exactly like the CS5 Crop Tool? No, it will not be, and you may find that you need to make a couple of small adjustments to how you use the tool. But it should be very similar and we are interested in specific workflows that are still significantly hindered with this setup compared to CS5 (so if you have them, please share).

    Note that with the above setup:

    - The resolution field is available on the options bar.

    - The cropped area will be resized to the specified dimensions (in CS5 you had to manually enter the units to get this behavior).

    - There is no default crop box (the dotted box) that appears on the image before or after you crop (you have to explicitly create one).

    - Hitting the "Enter" key when there is no crop box will put focus in the "Width" field.

    - "Front Image" is available in the popup on the left.

    - The image will not move when you resize the crop box

    - Rotating will rotate the crop box not the image.

    In short, it will work like this: "I would hit the C key, then hit return. I'd put in my width, tab, height, tab, resolution, and draw my crop box. Hit enter and it is done. "
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    • I was okay (though not thrilled) with all this, but that is a bit rich.

      As a user of a competing product I paid 900 pounds for CS6/E, a while later CC comes out. I could have not paid the 900 and got CC or paid the 900 and then subscribed and ended up in exactly the same place for 900 pounds more. This seemed/seems extremely unfair.

      IMHO you should have allowed people purchasing within the previous year to have CC assuming they had subscribed from their CS6 purchasing date until a point where a % of the purchase price had covered the CC subs. For example set the % at 60% then I'd have CC until 900*0.6 = 540 of subs had accrued (or much less time for cheaper upgraders, etc.). Remembering I'm LICENSING the product, not buying it. Also the cost of what I'm shipped is negligible, plus a small amount of seller margin.

      BTW the tax calculation thing is also bogus, you can change that. I remember paying for my first upgrade to iOS on my iPod Touch due to the tax rules, but Apple then changed the ones they used and subsequent upgrades were free, despite my purchasing under the old rules.

      So, in summary, I'll live with the not-so-good crop tool, but please stop suggesting I'm cheap in some way by not subscribing to CC until I feel I've had at least some of my 900 quids worth...
    • Hear, hear! I don't have a endless supply of money to shell out on yet another product to enrich Adobe's coffers. There should be a free, downloadable fix for the crop tool. Why, oh why are you ignoring requests to return to the previous version of the crop tool, which worked like a charm?
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    Can you please just make it work like the CS5 or 4 crop tool?
    We don't want a lecture. Just the same tool.
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  • I’m confused
    In short, it will work like this: "I would hit the C key, then hit return. I'd put in my width, tab, height, tab, resolution, and draw my crop box. Hit enter and it is done. "

    But the crop is not what I want my final image to look like it's what you want it to look like.

    I want cs5 crop tool back. I have bought the new upgrade every time you put one out I would call that a loyal user. Now you slap me down with this crap.
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    • I understand that the CS6 default crop box behavior is causing problems, which is why we have given you a way to get rid of it in Photoshop CC.

      I still don't understand the statement about the final image not being what you want.
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  • I have posted these steps before but they got deleted. I feel like Adobe is not letting us choose what we want they are forcing us into the cloud.
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    • As much as I have bought from Adobe for the past 12 years I would think that you would give us the stand alone users the same updates as the people in the cloud. This is so unfair to the loyal customers of years. VERY UNHaPPY
    • Yes holding down the shift key does allow me to start my crop outside your built in crop box. Now something more to do and slow down the workflow. From a LOYAL,UPGRADING, EVERYTIME A NEW PHOTOSHOP COMES OUT CUSTOMER.
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    • I love PS, but any great American company responds to their users' requests. This particular one, with the crop tool, is huge. What we are being told is to go to the cloud, and then u might listen. I'm finished at that point. Good luck, Adobe. Delete my account please.
    • I hear what your saying Mark agree and am no fan of monopolies. I was told it would cost a huge amount of money to retrofit the crop tool end of story. We can only hope that some young software company recognises the gap and steps in. Like Google the head start Adobe has seems enormous right now however once upon a time not so long ago Microsoft ruled the world and Apple was on its knees. I'm not sure if many companies manage to take these realities on board until looking back the obvious is staring them in the face and its all too late. Photography is one of the areas today thats evolving so fast any company could be caught out within a few years with new technology thats yet to be dreamt up
  • What does it cost for just photoshop CC? $10 a month?
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  • This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    WHEN COMES THE CLASSIC CROP/CUT in PS6 ???.


    I need the "old version" of cutting a Photo in PS 6. In PS 5 it was possible to cut in a specific size in combination with the right dpi. In PS 6 its possible to set the programm in "Classic-mode" BUT THIS ISNT THE SAME LIKE IN PS5. And this is really bad! When comes the really "Classic-Mode" ind PS 6????

    ADOBE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS PROBLEM SINCE A LONG TIME!!!
    WHEN COMES AN UPDATE????????????
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    • Photoshop CC re-introduces the ability to specify height, width, and resolution right on the options bar (by picking H x W x Resolution from the popup). In CS6 you need to use the "Size & Resolution..." option in the popup to specify the resolution. If you only want to specify dimensions, you can do so in the options bar in CS6, just be sure to include units, e.g. "in" ("7" is treated differently than "7 in").
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  • I’m unsure
    Why there are only fixed possibilities of having grid overlay ("Rule of Thirds, Grid, etc,...)
    If we can draw paths on Photoshop, shouldn't be nice to have our own user grid overlay?

    For me this should be a great help, allowing many user to adjust objects on photos to specific distances from borders at the same user defined distances.
    Avoiding rulers an guides, and use only crop with user created grid overlay!

    Pease vote here on the idea:
    http://gsfn.us/t/48f1m
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  • I’m frustrated
    Ok... the crop tool in Photoshop CC is better... however it's STILL not as good as it was in CS5x. Here are my list of problems...

    1, when I drag another layer into my photo... when in the crop tool... I get the level tool when CTRL is depressed... I used to just be able to position the new layer where I wanted on the photo. If I want the level tool... I'll press the button on the toolbar.

    2, The perspective tool in CS5x was great. I could change perspective right from the crop tool.... why was this changed... I know, we have to make things "new and better" NOT!

    3. If you want the new behavior or the classic mode, you should be able to select this in the preferences. And then use your selected behavior always. It's not rocket science.
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  • I’m frustrated
    If there was a way to super-hate something, it would be this new "feature" of Adobe Photoshop CS6 — moving the photos while cropping it. I'm guessing someone was drunk while they thought this up, and so it looked perfectly fine to them.
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  • well at least they changed it back in CC version, thank the gods
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  • Hate the new crop tool. Even in classic mode it is lacking benefits that previous versions had.

    I like to crop images to leave white space around the edges while still retaining a certain proportion. This is not possible with the CS6 crop tool.

    For example, if I want to crop to an 8.5x11 but my original document it 8x12 (longer) I have to crop out the sides instead of keeping it 8.5x11 and adding white bars on the top and bottom. Now when I crop leaving white space on the top and bottom, PS just makes it a new size instead of keeping the original 8.5x11 proportion that I wanted.

    Thought they would have enhanced the crop tool, not make it worse.
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    • I think the problem was the 8.5x11 ratio that is in PS. I thought that it was a preset to crop your image to exactly 8.5x11, even if I expanded the bounding box beyond the canvas size.

      I created my own 8.5x11 preset (like you mentioned) at 150 ppi and it worked fine. Basically, when I wanted to add space to the sides it was re-sizing the image as well. So, I would crop using the 8.5x11 preset that came with PS, and the size would be something like 7.847x10.15. But I was unknowingly using the ratio. I always think of 8.5x11 as a paper size, not as a ratio to use.

      When I use the preset that I made, it cropped to a strict 8.5x11 and left the extra white space that I wanted as well. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for your help Tai. I appreciate it.
    • I think a lot of the frustration with the updated crop tool comes from not realizing that you need to be more explicit to get the cropped image to conform to exact dimensions (rather than just a ratio):

      In CS6, you can do this either by typing in units like "in" or by using the Size & Resolution... dialog in the popup.

      In CC, you can do this by using the "H x W x Resolution" mode in the popup.

      I'm glad the explanation helped you Ian, sorry for the confusion!
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  • I crop with cs6, say to 15 x 20 in. and save as, when I reopen image the image size is 18 x 24 in.Same ratio, different size. I can not save a file as cropped. I also hate the new cs6 crop tool. Is there a way?

    Thanks,
    Dwayne
    • Sounds like you are running into the same trouble as Ian. Make sure you are specifying explicit dimensions, not just a ratio:

      In CS6, you can do this either by typing in units like "in" or by using the Size & Resolution... dialog in the popup.

      In CC, you can do this by using the "H x W x Resolution" mode in the popup.
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  • I am setting the preset to 15 in x 20 in and it shows up in the w & h boxes and crops to the correct size. When I save and reopen, it is 18 x 24. I know other people that have the same problem. I tried different settings for over an hour last night and can not get a proper saved image.
    I understand crop ratios and can not see what I could be doing to have that setting and not w & h settings.
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  • I reset my preferences and still have the same problem.
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  • As always, I appreciate all replies. I understand what you are saying about setting a size for the crop with "in" included. I have done that from the start.

    My problem is, my CS6 will not do that. It will not crop and save at the cropped size. What could cause that and what could I do to repair CS6.

    If any one has time and CS6, please crop for a 15 x 20 and save as. Then close you image. Then reopen your image and see if it is still a 15 x 20.

    Thanks
    Dwayne
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