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Tom Hogarty (Lightroom Product Manager) March 28, 2012 03:30

Lightroom 4.1 now available on labs.adobe.com

Thanks for everyone's patience and feedback on the Lightroom 4.0 release. As noted in last week's blog post we've identified several issues with this initial release including a few conditions where performance slowdowns could occur.

Lightroom 4.1 is now available on Adobe Labs:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/li...

Includes bug fixes for several top issues and includes 5D Mk III support:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/li...

Regards,
Tom Hogarty
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  • 4.1 solved my library and catalog import problems. Everything works as it should not. Many thanks to the Lightroom team for a speedy response to a significant problem.
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  • Anyone else notice that undoing a develop preset is a lot slower in 4.1 than in 4.0? Because the preview window is a little small, I often try a preset (for example, my kit of B&W presets) to see what it does, then hit cntrl-z to try another.

    The undo is noticeably slower.
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  • I’m confident
    I've played with the 4.1 for a little less than 20 hours and it seems a lot more stronger than the 4.0:

    - It crashed only 3 times (without any loss of data) always during library operations (I'm sanitizing a large catalog made by fusion of four 3.6 and 4beta).

    - The import seems ok (even with large FFF) but very slow.
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  • Yes, the import is very slow compared to Aperture.

    I miss a functionality, and that is to delete the photos on the card. This is so simple and obvious. Come on, Adobe, give us that function. (Because of this, the import function is not OK.)
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  • LR 4.1 is a slight improvement over LR 4.0 but falls far short of the mark for fixing the SLOWNESS of LR 4. Dealing with 15GB downloads is so painfully as to be nearly useless! How can I get LR 3.6 back with all of my key words and collections? I made the mistake of uninstalling LR 3.6 and deleting the lrcat back up files, because I had not heard about the problems with LR 4. Dumb me. When will a true fix for the slooows be created? PLEASE HELP me.

    John J. Mullin
    • Hi John,
      I did the same in my enthusiasm to reclaim around 90GB of space on my system drive (I installed LR4 elsewhere). I've no real issues with LR4 but agree it would have been good to keep the last LR3 cat backup. I've just managed to restore mine (having been prompted by your post) using the Windows Backup program - worth a try if you employ it?

      BTW: while cleaning up I realised why LR3 was taking up so much space - a year's worth of daily backups LOL - I'd always presumed that the last one deleted the one before and had not had any reason to actually look in the directory.

      John
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  • I’m confused
    Don't overestimate my note regarding the import-slowness. Overall, the performance is good enough for me, even more when you take in account that I’ve a small PC for a large catalog of heavy photos.

    - I’m convinced that if I copied the CF on a fast disk before importing the result could be better.
    - I know also, that I should invest in a faster configuration (64bits, 8G of memory, SSD internal & faster external disk ?) and I will probably do so in a few months but:
    - Right now I prefer spend my money on shooting glass
    - And I believe that the software must work properly even on small machine as soon as I’t is supported. (the slow machines are probably a way to correct bugs that could have elsewere hard consequences).

    With the 4.1, I’ve currently 3 issues:

    1 - It crashes regularely (when working in the lib or dev module).

    The 4.1 crashes a lot less than the 4.0 (down from a crash every hour to a crash every 5 hours), and until now I’ve lost nothing (just had to relaunch LR). Still it makes me inconfortable.

    2 - The capture-time havent been messedup during the integration of my previous 4 catalog in one:
    - Some photo have had their capture time replaced by the time of the merge of the catalog:
    o Almost all the scanned photo have been changed
    o But even a part of the Digital-Photo (with time comig from the camera) have been modified.
    - The manual correction is a real pain

    3 – I’ve some “exotic” photo that look like lost within the file system:
    These photos seems to be localized within 2 catalogs, but visible in only one.
    It look like this problem concern only a very few files (6-10 over a 23000 catalog) and always non-standard pictures (HDR or Pano assembled in Photoshop and reimported).

    I'm still very happy with LR and the progress done in the 2 last years.
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  • I’m frustrated
    I was able to get some work done with 4.0. 4.1RC, for me, has stopped me dead in my tracks. Locks up entire computer. Help!!
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  • I’m quite happy
    Hello everybody,
    I read that some guys have crashes. What is your config Benoît ? I have used LR4 since the beginning, quite everyday, then LR4.1 at least 2 hours a day. It represents some hours now, and It never crash. May be three times I was waiting for almost half a minute (it is a long time !) that the freezed LR return to consciousness.
    I have prepared almost 150 photos with RC 4.1
    I use W7 x64, a three core Amd cpu and 8 Go ram, with an ATI hd4200 (not a nervous gpu, if it even exists). I think a little or powerful machine is not the problem, but the OS and health of the machine can make problems.
    Or is it a problem of Catalog corrupted ?
    I write all that because it could be interesting to understand what happens.
    Regards,
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  • I disabled all of my 3rd party plugins and there is a noticeable improvement. It is still frustratingly slow but at least I can work a little, do something else, come back and do a little more, etc. I am not totally locking up like I was.
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  • I’m Pretty happy so far
    For the benefit of the people working on fixes it would be a good idea if we all stated our basic configurations.

    I have no major issues with LR4 (in fact it seems a little quicker that 3 with multiple brush adjustments; and 3 was fine). The only glitches I've come across are:
    1/ Clicking the crop or other tools doesn't scroll the development panel to that area.
    2/ Right-click/Edit in... returns a code error alert (the only external editor I employ is Elements v9 and LR is set up to send it a PSD file - this worked fine under LR3).

    That's it - no crashes, no dramas.

    I don't have/use any external plug-ins and I only employ one monitor. I reserve a 30GB cache for LR and my catalog contains around 10,000 entries (small be some standards I know).

    OS: Win7/HP/64
    CPU Phenom II 955BE clocked to 3.4GHz
    RAM: 8GB DDR2
    Graphics: ATI 6850 (Sapphire Toxic)
    Internet Connection: BT Infinity (38MB per sec download speed).
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  • I upgraded to LR4 and updated my catalog. I recently purchased a Canon 5DM3 and needed the upgrade to LR4.1.

    So far no major issues. Ocassionally the app freezes but recovers with no issues. My desktop is an HP Elite with Intel Core i7 and 32GB RAM running Windows Professional. App sits on the C:\ drive which is 1 TB and RAW files sit on a second data drive of 2TB.

    I am not a heavy user (not used daily) however when I return from a shoot, I usually have 250 - 300 RAW files to process. My standard technique is to manually copy the RAW files from the compact flash card to the 2TB data drive and import in place using minimal rendering of the images. It takes a little longer to open the files in the Library and Develop modules with this technique but then again I do not necessarily open every file (it's a trade off).

    LR4.1 is working without issues when I invoke the OnOne Perfect Photo Suite 6.0. The only issue with the third party app is that the resulting psd files are not being seen by LR4.1 after saving to the same folder. Still trouble-shooting this issue.
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  • Updated to Lr4 and installed 4.1. Will not tether with my new 5DMarklll. Camera says 'busy'. Tethering works great with Lr4 and 4.1 installed tethering 5DMark ll
    Was this tested?
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  • Upgraded to 4.1

    Issue: Flickr plugin fails to upload image. Returns error ->

    Can't update this collection
    An internal error has occurred:
    Error Domain = NSXMLParserErrorDomain Code = 4
    User info = [hex identifier appears here]
    "Line1: Document is empty"
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  • I'll chime in on this. I don't think tethering of a camera that came out a week and a half ago should be at the top of the list for our hardworking LR developers. Crack open that disc the camera came with and use Canon's software if you need to tether it right off the bat. It's ridiculous to suggest the upgrade from 3 to 4 is only worthwhile if it allows tethering of a new camera. Have you used this program to edit yet? You're getting at least a stop increase of dynamic range with virtually no artifacts, curves on individual channels, mapping,and I could go on. Get real.

    I've been having some performance issues, mainly slowdowns when using the spot tool especially. I hope they address the overall speed/functionality and come out with 4.2 pretty quick. I don't think one should have to double or triple up on the computing minimum requirements in order to simply use the program without freezes. But I don't care about adding full functionality for brand spanking new cameras. Even if I had the 5D III I'd be more interested in shooting and dumping to disk for the first couple weeks, finishing photos only if I had clients breathing down my neck.
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  • I agree that LR 4 is a ways from being a finished, usable piece of software, pro or no pro. I don't get the distinctions drawn between pro and non-pro users. Software is either usable or problematic, and the latter leads to frustration whether you make money from photography or not. But anyway...

    The most significant problem I have with LR 4 is the extremely buggy spot heal/clone tool. I get these strange square artifacts most times I try to use it, no matter how many spots I have, or their size. I even saw a webinar presenter (Laura Shoe I believe) get artifacts while using the spot tool, to the point she changed the subject and went away from the tool. Now that's embarrassing - for Adobe, not Laura Shoe.

    Using a 2.6 GHz Intel Quad core, Windows 7/64, with 8 GB RAM & an NVidia card with 1 Gb VRAM. Not a speed demon but worked fast with LR 3 and fast with all other software I use.
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  • I upgraded to LR 4.1 RC and still it is unbelievably slow, especially the spot heal/clone tool, navigating in the protocol or snapshots and switching between develop and library view. Sometimes the sliders are very slow until the update in the image is visible.

    I am working with a macbook pro 17'' (mid 2010) i7 2.66Ghz with 8GB memory. The issue seems to be worst when working with the new 2012 process version. I have menu meters on and the cpu goes up to 100% at all 4 cores in worst case.

    I really hope this problem will be fixed in the final release of 4.1!!
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  • I have had practically no problems with LR 4.1 RC, except when I used the adjustment brush just now. When I applied the brush, then changed the slider setting, the area of the brush went very soft focus, then stopped after I stopped the slider change. It makes it hard to see the effect and I don't think this happened in LR 3.

    I'm using a Mac Pro 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 16 gb RAM running Snow Leopard.
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  • I still experience major slowness when switching before/after view. Sometimes it's instant, but most of the time I have to wait almost 3 sec to see the result and vice versa.
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  • I posted this over on the old thread - for the external editor not working - which now says SOLVED - it is NOT solved for me.
    I'm running an IMAC, snow leapord, Nik plug ins, 4 GB Ram, (yes all software up to date).
    Yes, I have downloaded the new ACR and, DNG plug ins.
    yes, per tina's Advice - I have removed the PList (from both LR 3.6 and, LR 4.1 RC)
    I have restarted my Mac with the PRAM reset - after a full shut down.

    I can't get from LR 4.1 RC to CS5 without going thru a Nik plug in. (creating a TiFF file.

    so, I got desperate.
    I tried to go back to a LR 3.6 catalog - that never saw LR 4 - I'm having the exact same problem with it. How weird is that? (again a removed the plist). and, restarted my mac.

    I did notice some other plists - I didn't remove
    .... com.adobe.Lightroom3.LS
    SharedFileList.plist
    ....com.adobe.Lightroom.4.LS
    SharedFileList.plist

    Should I remove these as well as the normal Plists???

    I also noticed that I have a Bunch of CACHEnnn.dat files in my LR 4.1 RC Settings file - while i can't read them - if I do a FILE info i can tell they are pretty much generated each time i open LR 4.1
    I have about 248 of them

    maybe a clue?

    I'm trying to give you all the clues i see or know about.

    Another Clue is that I'm not able to set my Bit depth to 8 - in the preference presets
    for CS5 - i can change the file type .psd, .TIFF
    or color space, sRGB, or Adobe1998, dpi, etc.. -
    i can change it - but if i move to another preference pane, and simply come right
    back to presets - the bit depth is 16... i can't make it stick at 8 bits.

    This is causing a problem in CS5 - as most filters don't show - and, yes i know how to change the mode to 8 bits within CS5, but that is a work around - not the way I can do business - this last issue is only a LR 4.1 RC issue.

    I was in systems for many years.. I hope these clues help you.. I'm not trying to bury you in junk issues.. I'm trying to show you the various things i see on my system that don't seem right. I've done everything your staff have asked of me.

    Help, I see lot's of issues being handles, but i'm drowning here..

    thanks for any help.. Debi
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  • Your CacheNNN.dat files are you Adobe Camera Raw Cached information. You should have one for each file you have viewed in Develop up to the size specified in your preferences. They have nothing to do with your issues.

    I have no idea what you mean by "I can't get from LR 4.1 RC to CS5 without going thru a Nik plug in. (creating a TiFF file." What are you saying here? That you have to create a Tiff with Nik plugin and then send the Tiff to PS? Or are you saying that when you go to Photoshop-a Tiff is created?

    Ultimately, I am trying to figure out what the precise problem you are having is. If you could write a single sentence stating what is not working, it would help. Then I could tell you what is likely related or not.
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  • Try this:

    Lightroom>Preferences>External Editing
    Additional External Editor settings
    Under Application click [Choose] and navigate to your Photoshop Application icon under Applications
    Select The File Format, Color Space, Bit Depth and Resolution you want.
    Under Preset (top of section) use the Pull Down to choose "Save Current Settings as a New Preset..."
    Call it "CS5 8 Bit" and click [Create]

    This will appear in your "Edit In" list. Send a file to PS CS5 using this Edit In choice. Does it come in correctly?
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  • My trial version has now expired and I definitly see NO REASON to even purchase it. It never completed making a catalog of one folder containing 51,000 photos and I have over 90,000 photos in my folders.
    I was too slow to be believed. It used 100% of my CPU, 25% of my RAM and wasn't using my GPU at all.
    My PSE7 and PSE9 work way better too.
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  • Can someone please tell me how to stop receiving emails for each post? I prefer to read them here, not get email notifications. Thanks.
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  • Click the Unfollow Pin on the first post in the thread?
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  • Rikk,
    I have created 2 presets in LR 4.1 RC for the specific use in running CS5
    One in a .psd format - one in a TIFF format - neither of them will give me the dialogue box i need so that the Lighroom changes are passed to CS5.
    here is a screen print of my presets.
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  • Rikk, I have gone to LR 4.1 RC - Preferences > general > prompts> and, have reset all warning dialogues.
    I have also purged cache and video cache - in Preferences> File Handling.
    I have Updated the External Editor Preference per your recommendation
    I have deleted the .plist file file LR 4.1 RC as recommended by another employee
    I still do not get the external editor dialogue box that i need from LR 4.1 RC to
    CS 5.

    Any other thoughts? running out of ideas here.
    maybe just uninstall and reinstall LR 4 - a fresh install?
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  • Well Deborah, Uninstall/Reinstall? that is a good next step. I would still like to see one of your presets though.
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  • Deborah, another thought. I don't remember if this is asked already, but does it work in a new, clean catalog with only one image in it?
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    • Ok, SUCCESS!
      I uninstalled CS5 - I reinstalled it - I ran an update on it. So, I'm running version 12.0.4 (ACR version 6.6.0.261). I can now take a photo in an DNG format from LR 4.1 RC - it will open the edit in diallog box, create either a TIFF or .psd file - and, pass it to CS5 - open the program for further processing!

      thank you RIKK! you are the BEST!

      (I still can't in PSE 10 or CS6 - but i really only loaded CS6 for this exercise - PSE 10 i really only use for training brand new photographers, who rarely use RAW images.. - so, i'm not worried about those)..

      Thanks again... I think i have a couple of other issues, but this was my show stopper
    • Excellent. I am sorry it took so many tires and blind alleys but it is good to know you are working again. Have fun!
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  • I’m frustrated
    I can't really take this much more. LR4.1 isn't really much better than 4.0 after all. It is so slow I dread having to do anything with images. If this is how it was to be, I would stop shooting all together.

    Switching to Library/Develop mode is a good 10 seconds or more. Going image to image is a good 3+ seconds. Even after they are loaded, they become slow again. It's like taking my powerhouse machine and pretending it is a nintendo 8 bit. I tried making a new catalog and just imported 40 images from today. Image to image does seem better, but there is still lags all over the place.

    For all intensive purposes, it is unusable. I cannot use LR3 anymore since I shoot a 5D III and I do not want to convert them to DNG until I am 100% sure the conversion process is final. I am typically a DNG shooter, but I am holding off converting to DNG with my 5D III for a while.

    Although I love the new develop sliders, mainly how much more I can get out of images, 4.0 wasn't an impressive upgrade like LR3 was. To make it this unusable and unstable is very disappointing.
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  • Request for an improvement :
    Something (out of this topic ? But a feed back for all Lightroom's releases ) : Could we have somewhere a field telling us in which the color space and profile is the displayed image ? Or where is it ?

    Minor bug :
    About the very niiiiice soft proofing, in comparison mode (Before / Proof Preview) : what is the rule telling LR which image to display on the left/before ? On a proof virtual copy, sometimes LR return to display the master image, instead of the virtual copy. Or what do I do wrong ?
    Thank you,
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  • Has there been, or will there soon be, a newer build than the inital one of 4.1RC?

    Many advanced users have reported and/or corroborated on a significant list of major issues that pretty much makes 4.x unusuable by pro shops or advanced users with as few as 10,000 images. I consider my catalog moderate with 40k.

    Pro shops easily have 100k. Just 200 events of only 500 images gets you to 100k very quickly. Since proper testing requires testing samples greater than your heaviest users, we fully expect that Adobe is testing this product will at least 1 million images. That is only 10 times the moderate 100k load. If not, the Q/A management needs a visit to the boardroom ;-)
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  • Hey Rikk, I have nearly the same problem as Deborah.

    With LR 4.1 RC it's impossible for me to save a preset with a bit depth of 16 bits.
    I also have installed Photoshop CS6 beta and I like to use the additional editor preference to create a preset for opening the files in my normal CS5 ( 12.0.4) as psd-file. I tried several times to create a new preference, but when I'm opening the preferences the bit depth is set to 8 bit. I'm on Windows7 and all adobe products are 64 bit-versions.
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  • Interesting as Deborah is Mac and you are Windows. I have two Win 7 64 bit systems and they are both working. The difference is that neither of mine have seen CS6 Beta. (me wonders if there is a common thread here...) You do have ACR 6.7RC installed?

    With Deborah, a CS5 reinstall was required.

    If you have tried renaming your Lightroom 4 Preference File already, it might be time to think about it. I would stop short of recommending it until you have done some more troubleshooting.

    Try recreating your LR Prefs file first. Close LR. Find it and rename it so you can restore it later. It is located here; http://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/p... When Lightroom is opened it will rebuild it.

    If that doesn't work. Uninstall 4.1RC and Install the RC fresh.

    If that doesn't work. Consider going through the reinstall of CS5.
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  • I’m frustrated
    Tom: Have seen you over at Kelby Training. So maybe you can help because I am getting no help form Adobe on my functionality issues. Very frustrated. Running LR4 and CS5 on my Mac. Everything is up to date. Running Lion OS. Prior to downloading LR4, I had no of the following issues. First of all my edited NEF files processed in LR4 did not show up in CS5 when using the edit in CS5 command from LR. No help from Adobe but did a get a tip form NAPP about installing CR 6.7 RC. Hesitated to install, but did anyway. That seemed to fix the edited raw file problem when going to photoshop from processing PV2012. Then I noticed a new problem. When using "merge to HDR Pro" and using the "ghosting" feature to choose which image to use in the final HDR processed image, the image was changing exposure. If I use the +2 image as my ghosting image, the HDR image was completely overexposed. If I used the -2 image , then the HDR image was underexposed. This did not occur with LR3 and CS5. Also the LR4 program runs slower than LR3. I can't even use my arrow keys to scroll along the filmstrip when viewing pics. Would love to have some help on this. I have a case number in Adobe and as of right now am supposed to receive a call from a technician on this. I spoke to a supervisor at 6:00 EST who promised me a call within 2 hours. No call however. Very frustrated. Please help. Thanks
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  • Join the club. Still dealing with daily crashes and a dysfunctional spot tool. Adobe? Customer Service? Oh right, we live in the age where companies can just get the internet to do their customer service for them at no cost - meaning you either get no answer or are ridiculed for asking it by guys you don't even know. Is this supposed to be an improvement? Just plain cheap & lazy is more like it.
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  • Hey Rikk,

    >>You do have ACR 6.7RC installed?
    Yes.

    >>If that doesn't work. Uninstall 4.1RC and Install the RC fresh.
    I reinstalled LR 4.1RC, but it doesn't work. I still can't create a preset for the additional editor with a color depth of 16 Bit.

    >>If that doesn't work. Consider going through the reinstall of CS5.
    I had done the easier way ... I changed the registry of the photoshop-path in
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\. Now I can open the files in CS5 in 16 bit ...
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  • Still a lot more refinements needed for LR 4.1. Slow and sometimes locks up. With the improvement in the algorithms, the develop module is fantastic and having more targeted adjustment capabilities in Basic is the cat's meow!

    One more problem I notice is when using Fill in the Navigator section, the image is soft. This is not the case with Fit, 1:1 etc. and occurs on both of my computers.

    Please keep fixing the bugs on this potentially awesome program.

    John J. Mullin
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  • I have to agree with John. I am using lr3 and salivating to upgrade to lr4 because of the new features. I can't do that until it stabilizes and performance is on par with lr3. Lightroom is a fantastic PP workflow. Hang in there Adobe developers, LR4 will be great also.
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  • Just created a book with the new Book Module. It worked very well, but when I went to upload the book to Blurb got the message that it had to be a minimum of 20 pages. Very annoying as I had to go back and change my book. This information should be given in the Book Module very clearly so you know before you start a book.
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  • Hello Tom,
    Thanks for the info on Lightroom 4.1 and the support for the Canon EOS 5D Mark lll. Does Adobe Photoshop CS5 Extended (Adobe Camera Raw) now have support for the 5D Mark lll as well? I would appreciate a link for the update if possible,I have been unable to locate it navigating the site.

    Thanks
    J.W.
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  • I just download the Blurb ICC profile from Blurb's website to use for softproofing images I used in a new book done in the Book module. But LR can't see the profile. I can see it in Photoshop, so am working in PS for now. But this should work in LR too!
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  • The Blurb profile is a CYMK profile. Lightroom does not have a CYMK workflow.
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