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Lightroom: LR4 - Unable to 'sort by colour label' or sort by 'rating' functions properly.

LR4 is not allowing me to use the 'sort by colour label' or sort by 'rating' functions properly.

In all previous versions, I could colour my finished edits in say red, click on the 'sort by colour' and all those red-labelled images would be blocked together, making exports etc. simple.

However, this bug is not pushing all the coloured images together (see image).

I have also tried to rate the images by star ratings and that doesn't work either... 5 star rated images are not grouped together.

In short, you simply cannot sort your images using the previous LR 'Sort' functions at all...

I've checked to ensure there are no ticks on sort by dates etc.

Any idea when a fix for this will come out? I've now switched back to LR3 as a result of this bug.

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  • This may well be a bug, but instead of sorting, I just use the filter by color/rating in the toolbar below the images, by clicking on the color boxes just to the left of the rotate CCW,/CW curvy arrows, to reveal only blocks of one color. Filtering by rating is just as easy using the stars and the = operators.
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  • TinaC (Tier 3 support engineer) March 08, 2012 18:20
    Richard,

    I can reproduce this, so I'll write it up as a bug.

    tina
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    • Cheers or that Steve... It seems to work but is a big workaround from previous versions. Many thanks.
    • Unfortunately this method only pulls in the images that are attributed to that bunch - which means I can't move from red to blue to purple with ease.

      This is definitely a bug, it simply cannot be a new feature: It'd be like taking the accelerator out of a Lamborghini and putting in a go faster button that only kicks in when you're driving at 3am

      Cheers for your help though, I did get a bit excited ;)
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  • It seems that stacking has precedence over label sorting. Stacked images stay together regardless of sorting. The OP's screenshot seems to confirm it - if one assumes that the similar images are stacked virtual copies.

    Seems to be the case for all sorting methods - stacks stay together. This was not the case in LR3. So... is it a new feature or a bug? ;-)

    Edit: And the top photo in the stack determines where the stack is ordered. Seems to be consistent. So perhaps it's a new feature after all?
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  • I’m frustrated
    if it's a feature it needs to go. The whole point of having a sort function with either labels or stars is that you can see your selected images as a bunch... Isn't it?
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  • Possible workaround: In Library module, label selected photos yellow, for example. In filter bar (just above selected photos) select Default Columns from dropdown menu; columns appear above grid/loupe viewing area. Far right column is marked "Label." Click on "Yellow" in that column. All photos labeled as yellow are isolated for easy export.
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  • Hi Richard,

    No, it is not officially a bug. LRuser24 is correct when s/he states that stacking has precedence over sorting. Or, to put it another way, sorting does not break up stacks. Stacks are always kept together, and their place in the sort order is based on the top image in the stack. This was true in Lightroom 3 as well, when sorting by aspect ratio, capture time, labels names, file format, pick, position in folder, rating, touch count, touch time, extension, or file name. Only color label was an exception, and that was unintentional. The inconsistency caused a variety of problems, and thus the bug was fixed for Lightroom 4.

    We're are sensitive to making changes, since we're well aware that even bugs can find a place in people's workflow, and we appreciate this feedback. I would suggest, as others in the thread have already mentioned, that filters can probably fill this gap for you.

    Thanks,
    Ben
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  • Ben, cheers for getting back to me on this as it has caused havoc with my workflow. I've tried following Julia's workaround but it doesn't work for me. My images often go through 3 separate editors before they are complete, so I have 4 or more versions of that image all stacked. The only one I am interested is the 'final' image which is the one I colour.

    Currently I am having to select the colour I require and then 'unstack' the pre-edits (that are not finals). It's a very annoying step I would like to get rid of.

    How do I do that please?

    Cheers
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  • Hi Richard,

    I'm not sure what you mean. If you have, for example, labeled your "final" image with the red color label, and you set the filters to show only photos with the red color label, then only photos with the red color label will show, regardless of whether they're in a stack or not.

    Another thing that might be useful for you is always putting the "final" image on the top of the stack, and then collapsing all the stacks. That way, all you'll see are the final images, but the other versions will still be there, buried in the stack, if you ever need to get to them.

    -Ben
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  • I’m confused
    Hi Ben,

    (you said: "then only photos with the red color label will show, regardless of whether they're in a stack or not.")

    That's not the case at all.

    If I create a set of red images and then use external editors to finish them, when I press 'sort by' (colour) all the red images appear but there are also all the old versions of the image which DO NOT have red (or any other colour) associated with them.

    This means I have to manually select the non-coloured images and then right click for 'stacking' and then unstack them.

    PLEASE help me...., This adds so much time wasting to my workflow.

    I look forward to your reply.

    cheers
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  • Hi Richard,

    I was not talking about sorting, I was talking about filtering. If you set your filters to only show photos with the red color label, then only photos with red color labels will show.

    Thanks,
    Ben
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    Ahh, OK... how do I do that??

    "you set the filters to show only photos with the red color label"

    ^^

    You can see how this is complex right? In 3, you just set your images to red - or whatever - sorted them and hey presto - you got what you asked for. This new 'feature' has added a layer of complexity - not to mention confusion - that really wasn't necessary.

    Was it?

    Anyways, please tell me how so I can check it and thanks so much for getting back.

    Cheers muchly
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  • Hi Richard,

    To be clear, it wasn't a new feature, it a was a bug fix, and yes, it was necessary in order to bring the sorting-by-color-label behavior in line with the sorting-by-anything-else behavior.

    You can easily search for "Library Filter" in the help, but here's a crash course:

    When you're in grid view in the Library module, you should see a bar across the top of the grid labeled "Library Filter". If you don't, go to View>Show Filter Bar. On the Filter Bar, click "Attribute". Then click the color for whatever color label(s) you wish to show.

    These controls are also available just above the filmstrip (row of thumbnails across the bottom of the screen). Steve has already provide a screenshot above. If those controls aren't showing for you, click the word "Filter" on the filmstrip to expand the controls.

    Thanks,
    Ben
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  • I’m aggravated
    I have many sets of four pictures in a folder. i want to sort the four pictures in each folder so that people see them in a specific order that i choose. this works ok when they are four separate photos, but sometimes i want to show a crop of photoA, then photo B, photo C and finally photoA. I can't do this because photoA cropped and photoA always occur together. In fact, if the crop is copy 2 i cant even show the crop before the original photo, because copies always follow the original. i can go back and change every crop to be a copy and change all the originals to be cropped so i can get a partially correct order. but i cannot separate the original and copies. seems to me there should be a preference check off or something to allow or not allow copies/stacks/edits to be sorted and separated.
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