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Photoshop: Add a Glyphs panel
Why, still, is there no glyphs palette/panel/menu in Photoshop? It's pretty sad that I have to use Illustrator or CopyPasteCharacter.com to get the glyphs I need for my raster designs.
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3Adobe advanced the evolution of digital typography by co-creating OpenType and setting the technical standards for fonts in this format. Hundreds of other font makers followed their lead. Unfortunately, many of Adobe's own fonts (and those from the other font manufacturers) aren't fully functional in Photoshop. This essentially opens a gaping hole in the Adobe CS workflow for professional designers who rely on these fonts.
At minimum, a palette with access to a font's full glyph set is required to solve the problem. In addition, access to all OpenType layout features via the Character palette's drop-down menu will greatly reduce inconsistencies between Adobe CS apps. -
3I definitely encourage the Photoshop team to add the Glyph palette. Even the Adobe-own OpenType fonts include a wealth of additional glyphs that can be accessed through InDesign's and Illustrator's Glyph palettes, but not within Photoshop. This certainly is discouraging, creates inconsistent user experiences and confuses users.
Especially on Mac OS X, there is a number of image-manipulation products that use Apple's CoreText or ATSUI-based "Typography" palette and the Mac OS X system-own Character Palette. This way, the users of those applications can easily insert all glyphs into their images. But Photoshop does not work with the Character Palette on Mac OS X if the glyphs don't have Unicode indexes, and on Windows there is no such comparable mechanism (the Windows "Character Map" application can only access the encoded characters, not the OpenType alternate glyphs).
This means that, the longer this situation persists, the more Adobe has the chance to lose customers who work with type and do image manipulation, towards the other competitors.
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2I hate having to launch Illustrator or InDesign to choose an alternate glyph when I work with text in Photoshop.
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What do you need in a glyphs palette to make it useful (not perfect)? Just a list of all glyphs in a font? What other application has a minimal working glyphs feature, and what application has the best (in your opinion) glyphs feature?
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I would like it like the InDesign Glyph Panel (slightly better than the one in Illustrator imo.).
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Either Illy's or Indesign's glyph access solution brought to Photoshop would cause waves of happiness to wash over me.
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1I think it'd be just prudent for consistency's sake to put Illustrator's gyphs palette into Photoshop (and every other Adobe app that can take advantage of it).- view 1 more comment
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Just a regular standard Adobe glyph palette like that in Adobe Indesign and Illustrator, so that folks who buy opentype pro fonts can actually use the full character set in Photoshop. It's obscene that such a basic feature is missing - especially when Adobe bundles pro-level fonts with Photoshop, and users have no way of accessing the majority of the character set in-application!
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There are SO many Photoshop features that have been developed in the last year that I don't NEED. No offense, but of all the things developed for photoshop in the last 3 yrs, I would have put the glyph palette at the top of the heap.
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1Well, what we need can depend on the project. But we do NEED (ideally) a palette that displays all the glyphs (i.e., every character) for the selected font. Then we can just click (or double-click) the glyph in that palette to insert it into our active text.
Some fonts have certain glyphs that other fonts do not, and it would be nice (just as Illustrator and InDesign do) to have a list/palette showing all the available characters/glyphs for the chosen font.
If you (for some unknown reason) have to limit the shown fonts, then at least have the most used glyphs -- such as quotes, primes (for feet and inches), bullets, registered symbol, trademark, copyright, dashes (minus, en dash, em dash, etc.), multiplication "x", etc.
I guess I'm just not sure how it could be TOO difficult to have a palette pull in a visual list of all characters of a chosen font. More mind-boggling is that Illustrator and InDesign have used this for many versions now, but it never made its way into Photoshop. I just don't get why Adobe wouldn't have added it, for how useful it would be. A web designer, such as myself, shouldn't have to rely on remembering all the codes to manually "type" the glyphs, nor should I have to rely on Googling the glyph name to copy and paste it. And, lastly, it's pretty bad when I have to open a separate Adobe program just to see what glyphs are available for a font.
I love typography, and I try to use the proper characters/glyphs with my designs. In my previous jobs, I was a graphic designer, so I more often used Illustrator and InDesign (obviously alongside Photoshop) -- but now that I'm a web designer, I use mainly Photoshop...and I miss my glyph options. -
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1Please add a Glyphs window to Photoshop (like the ones in InDesign and Illustrator)!
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Sorry I didn't see this topic before I posted a repeat request. My problem usually comes in when I know of a symbol in a font like Wingdings or Dingbats that I want to use but I don't know the keystroke for it, so I have to copy/paste from the Glyphs window in AI or INDD. I don't know of a way around that other than to have a window that displays all the characters for a font... :-\
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No problem. Thanks for the request.
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3I definitely encourage the Photoshop team to add the Glyph palette. Even the Adobe-own OpenType fonts include a wealth of additional glyphs that can be accessed through InDesign's and Illustrator's Glyph palettes, but not within Photoshop. This certainly is discouraging, creates inconsistent user experiences and confuses users.
Especially on Mac OS X, there is a number of image-manipulation products that use Apple's CoreText or ATSUI-based "Typography" palette and the Mac OS X system-own Character Palette. This way, the users of those applications can easily insert all glyphs into their images. But Photoshop does not work with the Character Palette on Mac OS X if the glyphs don't have Unicode indexes, and on Windows there is no such comparable mechanism (the Windows "Character Map" application can only access the encoded characters, not the OpenType alternate glyphs).
This means that, the longer this situation persists, the more Adobe has the chance to lose customers who work with type and do image manipulation, towards the other competitors. -
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I get SO MANY complaints from type buyers that they buy pro-level fonts - including Adobe-made fonts! - and can't use much of the character set in Photoshop simply because you have "forgotten" to include a glyphs palette. It's an enormous oversight. -
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3Adobe advanced the evolution of digital typography by co-creating OpenType and setting the technical standards for fonts in this format. Hundreds of other font makers followed their lead. Unfortunately, many of Adobe's own fonts (and those from the other font manufacturers) aren't fully functional in Photoshop. This essentially opens a gaping hole in the Adobe CS workflow for professional designers who rely on these fonts.
At minimum, a palette with access to a font's full glyph set is required to solve the problem. In addition, access to all OpenType layout features via the Character palette's drop-down menu will greatly reduce inconsistencies between Adobe CS apps. -
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1I've had no reason to update from CS3, but if PS CSX implemented a Glyph palette or more, I would buy it the day of release.
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1At minimum, Photoshop should duplicate the functionality of the Illustrator Glyphs palette. I understand that they have different code bases, but your whole shtick nowadays is making sure the applications "act exactly the same" no matter the OS, even ignoring the standardaized OS style guides (which is a whole other complaint). Shouldn't it be your goal to make sure workflows between programs also have consistency?
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2Having had started this thread 4 years ago, I have to agree that a Glyph panel in Photoshop would be very handy.
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It should be there!
If Adobe still committed to producing the best, then perfection is a virtue. Hopefully Adobe to be truly paradise for designers :-) -
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Dear Adobe Gripe #4797
"Please add a glyph palette to Photoshop and stop assuming that real typography happens only in vector programs." -
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1Dear Adobe,
Please, please, PLEASE... give Photoshop a glyphs palette.
There is no other feature that would be more useful for designers.
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2The OTF Pto fonts, with their numerous alternate characters, make the installation of the Glyphs Panel (as used in InDesign) an essential component in Photoshop as well.
This request really needs to go straight to the top of the JDI list for CS Next.- view 1 more comment
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The glyphs panel already exists for years on other Adobe programs. Have you became too big and fat to be able to communicate efficiently ? :p
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What does communication have to do with implementing a glyphs palette? The applications can't share much code.
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However, you like to classify it, please just do it
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because I know that many people have been asking for a Glyphs panel to be included in Photoshop ever since the OTF Pro Fonts were introduced (which was back in 2006 in the days of CS2 if I recall correctly?). -
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Hi Ann,
You're being kind. ;-) OTF Pro Fonts were introduced in 1996.
The Glyph Palette
While OpenType layout features are primarily accessed via the OpenType palette (Illustrator) or the OpenType flyout of the Character palette, Adobe InDesign (all versions) and Adobe Illustrator CS–CS5 also allow you to view and access all of the possible glyphs and layout features in an OpenType font through the Glyph Palette.
–Adobe OpenType User Guide v37, 07 October 2008
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I only had PostScripts (in two parts!) — Mac version — back in 1996 and i was using them on a whacking great Varityper Phototypesetting machine before that!
And it didn't have a Glyphs panel either!
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That's ok, some of us went to the same school and lived in that same hill/valley.
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2Former iterations of the Illustrator glyph palette were just a straight table of all the glyphs in the currently active font, ordered by their glyph ID. Recent versions of Illustrator introduced sorting oprions and the ability to show related glyphs in a small sub-popup.
The latter functionality is neat but even just a simple palette withou oprions would do. Note that it's important that — like InDesign and Illustrator — the palette should dosplay all of a font's glyphs, not just the encoded characters. Many OpenType fonts include alternate glyphs rhat don't have a Unicode.
Since it's already posdible to use the glyphs pallette in Illustrator to enter such glyphs, then copy-paste them to Photoshop and they are being retained, it's evident that Photoshop can deal with unencoded glyphs already, it's just a matter of exposing them in the UI.
Miguel Sousa or David Lemon of the Adobe Type Department can provide you with insights as to how the details can be implemented.-
We've been talking to the type department - which is why we know it's not as obvious as it seems. If we're going to do it, we need to make sure we do it right.
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Personally, I find the InDesign CS5 Glyphs Panel to have been exceptionally well done.
Even if you can't create something quite as comprehensive as that for Photoshop, just a more basic panel (with less ways of choosing listings) would help — even if it only showed all of the alternate glyphs that were available in a font for a selected character.-
Long time no read, Ann!
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For your info, CS6's character panel has more OpenType options: ligatures, fractions... But I understand the fact that it might be frustrating to see options in one program of the Suite, and not in the other.
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I'm kinda spoiled here since I work with a Mac, so I don't understand this pain... The language preferences allows me to use a "character viewer" which means I can find glyphs rapidly and by different fonts. (I'm thanking the late Mr. Jobs for being a typophile for this.) (UTF characters are also much easier to type on a mac.)
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You need to understand the difference between a character and a glyph. OS X's Character View allows you to access all characters in a font, but that doesn't mean that you'll be able to access all the glyphs in that font. In other words, the Character View can only access glyphs that are encoded.
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experiencing typography frustration, Something all too common.
For a long time I've also wanted a Glyphs Panel in Photoshop. It would be a most welcome addition. -
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1"I definitely encourage the Photoshop team to add the Glyph palette."
I agree. It's really sad and not helpful at all for me that there is neither a glyph panel in Photoshop CS6 nor in Fireworks CS 5. I use both programs for webdesign and there are a lot of good fonts which have excellent glyphs very suitable for webdesign.
This problem has further intensified since Apple has removed the glyph panel form its MAC OSX (they get worse in Typography with every new release. Since Mountain Lion not even the Small Caps in Opentype fonts can be activated, the function is totally non-functional - seriously bugged).
I tried so many solutions Ultra Character Map, copy and paste from FontExplorer but all of them don't offer a solution. -
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